Running a public company is a whole business in itself

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[00:00] SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Canada's podcast.
[00:06] SPEAKER_02: Hey everyone, I'm Phil Bliss, founder of Canada's podcast.
[00:10] SPEAKER_02: Today we're going to meet Peyton Nyquest.
[00:13] SPEAKER_02: Peyton is the CEO and founder of Numinous Wellness,
[00:16] SPEAKER_02: a leading integrated mental health care company providing
[00:20] SPEAKER_02: psychedelic assisted therapies.
[00:23] SPEAKER_02: Numinous Wellness is a leading integrated mental health care company
[00:27] SPEAKER_02: with 13 wellness clinics across North America,
[00:32] SPEAKER_02: four clinical research sites, and a bio and medical research line.
[00:38] SPEAKER_02: Numinous recently announced the launch of its new
[00:40] SPEAKER_02: Numinous Network Wellness Clinic licensing platform.
[00:45] SPEAKER_02: So Peyton, welcome to Canada's podcast.
[00:47] SPEAKER_02: Great to meet you.
[00:49] SPEAKER_02: Nice to see you're in Toronto, spending some time here.
[00:54] SPEAKER_02: And as I usually do, why don't you tell everyone about
[00:59] SPEAKER_02: yourself, what you do, and why I'm interviewing you,
[01:03] SPEAKER_02: how you got here, that kind of stuff, because I think it's
[01:07] SPEAKER_02: a great place to start.
[01:10] SPEAKER_02: Sure, sounds good.
[01:12] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so Peyton Nyquest and I'm the founder and CEO of Numinous Wellness,
[01:19] SPEAKER_00: which is a integrated mental health care company,
[01:25] SPEAKER_00: which at its core is helping support not just research,
[01:29] SPEAKER_00: but access to psychedelic therapy, which over the last
[01:33] SPEAKER_00: number of years has seen a huge amount of interest.
[01:39] SPEAKER_00: People call it the psychedelic renaissance, which is really
[01:42] SPEAKER_00: being validated by a lot of medical studies that have been
[01:47] SPEAKER_00: done over really kind of spearheaded by maps.
[01:52] SPEAKER_00: Over the last 36 years has been taking MDMA through clinical
[01:56] SPEAKER_00: trials that recently completed their base CB, which for people
[02:03] SPEAKER_00: who don't know MDMA for post-traumatic stress disorder,
[02:06] SPEAKER_00: and those studies were for people with treatment resistant PTSD
[02:10] SPEAKER_00: and the results were over 80% of participants saw a significant
[02:15] SPEAKER_00: clinical reduction in their symptoms, and 67% actually no
[02:19] SPEAKER_00: longer met the PTSD criteria after just three treatments.
[02:24] SPEAKER_00: So really, you know, a paradigm changing result in regards to how
[02:28] SPEAKER_00: we think about treating mental health care.
[02:31] SPEAKER_00: For myself, I have a capital markets background.
[02:36] SPEAKER_00: I was with Canacord in Canada for about six years.
[02:40] SPEAKER_00: Left Canacord was part of a group about a control position
[02:43] SPEAKER_00: in a smaller independent brokerage firm called Jordan Capital.
[02:48] SPEAKER_00: And then after a couple years, we sold Jordan to Mackey Research
[02:52] SPEAKER_00: and I was the head of their West Coast offices and a director
[02:57] SPEAKER_00: of the Cross Canada firm I sat on the advisory committee for the
[03:01] SPEAKER_00: TSX.
[03:03] SPEAKER_00: But my pathway into the psychedelic space really came from my own
[03:08] SPEAKER_00: personal experience.
[03:10] SPEAKER_00: I'm someone who had suffered with severe chronic pain since birth
[03:15] SPEAKER_00: and grew up in a household that suffered with substance abuse.
[03:21] SPEAKER_00: And my mom got sober when I was 12 and came home and said,
[03:26] SPEAKER_00: you know, you know, you want to start talking to somebody and I took that
[03:30] SPEAKER_00: pretty seriously because of my chronic pain issues and that kind of
[03:34] SPEAKER_00: led me on this kind of really deep excavation and experience
[03:40] Speaker UNKNOWN: and I was really excited about the exploration of mental health,
[03:42] SPEAKER_00: physical health and that really stuck with me throughout my whole
[03:46] SPEAKER_00: life and what was interesting as I got older,
[03:51] SPEAKER_00: the severity of my symptoms seemed to be directly correlated with my
[03:55] SPEAKER_00: professional success.
[03:56] SPEAKER_00: In fact, the most successful week of my whole life, I spent that whole
[04:00] SPEAKER_00: life in the hospital.
[04:02] SPEAKER_00: And I remember thinking if this is what, you know, success is
[04:05] SPEAKER_00: supposed to be then I'll do something else.
[04:10] SPEAKER_00: But after, you know, really trying everything and towards the end of
[04:16] SPEAKER_00: that journey, I was ending up in the hospital about three days a week
[04:20] SPEAKER_00: was really out of options.
[04:22] SPEAKER_00: And I've never had a psychedelic experience before because I grew up
[04:26] SPEAKER_00: in a household that struggled with substance abuse.
[04:28] SPEAKER_00: I was always sort of an anti-recreational drug person,
[04:33] SPEAKER_00: but because I felt very out of options, turned to psychedelic therapy
[04:38] SPEAKER_00: is really a last ditch to try and save my life and not to paint the
[04:44] SPEAKER_00: picture of a panacea, but one week with psychedelic therapy
[04:48] SPEAKER_00: and I never had any chronic pain symptoms ever again.
[04:52] SPEAKER_00: And that led me to, in the beginning, really just trying to figure out
[04:57] SPEAKER_00: how I could give back to something that saved my life and never planned on
[05:00] SPEAKER_00: putting my job and starting a company and doing everything that we've
[05:04] SPEAKER_00: done.
[05:05] SPEAKER_00: But as I looked more and more at the research and ways that I could
[05:09] SPEAKER_00: potentially support, there was just a really glaring recognition
[05:15] SPEAKER_00: that while the clinical research that was being done was extremely
[05:20] SPEAKER_00: important, there was a real lack of access to psychedelic therapy.
[05:25] SPEAKER_00: And that still kind of exists today.
[05:28] SPEAKER_00: Since 2017, there's been $2.9 billion that have gone into
[05:34] SPEAKER_00: kind of psychedelic-related industry activity, but less than 5%
[05:40] SPEAKER_00: of that money has gone into infrastructure.
[05:44] SPEAKER_00: And we're now at a place where access is really opening up and the need
[05:47] SPEAKER_00: for infrastructure is even more apparent now than ever before.
[05:52] SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of a little bit of myself and where we are today.
[05:59] SPEAKER_02: I mean, you grew up in the investment side of the business.
[06:07] SPEAKER_02: When we were talking earlier about, you know, it wasn't somewhere
[06:12] SPEAKER_02: where you thought you would be coming back to.
[06:14] SPEAKER_02: I think, you know, you saw an opportunity at Numinus because of
[06:20] SPEAKER_02: your own crossover on health problems and things like that.
[06:31] SPEAKER_02: Why go to the capital route?
[06:33] SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's because it's an interesting, you know, it's many entrepreneurs
[06:37] SPEAKER_02: are successful or if they need more investment, it's thrown up
[06:43] SPEAKER_02: and maybe it's, I mean, I hear very stories about it being the right way,
[06:50] SPEAKER_02: the wrong way. I've done both ways in terms of, you know,
[06:55] SPEAKER_02: private or public.
[06:59] SPEAKER_02: What's your perspective on it for, you know, people that might be in the same boat
[07:02] SPEAKER_02: as you kind of think?
[07:04] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think, you know, maybe regardless of industry, I think for people
[07:10] SPEAKER_00: who are looking at whether they want to take their company public or stay
[07:15] SPEAKER_00: private, running a public company is a whole business in itself.
[07:22] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I spent more time when I was on the investment side,
[07:26] SPEAKER_00: I probably spent more time convincing people not to take their company public
[07:29] SPEAKER_00: than to take their company public.
[07:33] SPEAKER_00: You know, it can seem like attractive or lucrative.
[07:39] SPEAKER_00: There's a romanticism to, you know, being a public company and, you know,
[07:46] SPEAKER_00: ring in the bell and all those kinds of things, but it's an expensive endeavor.
[07:52] SPEAKER_00: And it takes a lot of focus and energy and not only that, but, you know,
[07:59] SPEAKER_00: there's also this kind of misconception that, you know, the public markets
[08:04] SPEAKER_00: is where, you know, maybe some interesting or nefarious activity can happen
[08:10] SPEAKER_00: or what have you.
[08:12] SPEAKER_00: But I think, you know, the public markets also present the opportunity to actually,
[08:17] SPEAKER_00: you actually legally have to give full disclosure.
[08:20] SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, for us, a couple of the reasons why we went public,
[08:24] SPEAKER_00: one, the psychedelic industry grew and evolved far faster than I anticipated
[08:31] SPEAKER_00: that it was going to.
[08:33] SPEAKER_00: And the access to capital at much higher valuations was extremely great.
[08:41] SPEAKER_00: You know, we ended up raising just over $80 million,
[08:44] SPEAKER_00: haven't had market cap as high as a couple hundred million dollars Canadian as well.
[08:49] SPEAKER_00: At a time where that industry was extremely nascent.
[08:53] SPEAKER_00: And so it just presented an opportunity to raise that kind of capital
[08:57] SPEAKER_00: and then be able to go and build.
[09:02] SPEAKER_00: You know, again, at a time where, you know, we're kind of far and away
[09:07] SPEAKER_00: the closest to a profitable psychedelic company, but it's still early days.
[09:13] SPEAKER_00: And we still need to, there's a significant amount of building that still needs to happen.
[09:18] SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, for entrepreneurs who are debating, you know, whether to take their company public
[09:24] SPEAKER_00: or to stay private, my big, big, big recommendation is to fully understand
[09:31] SPEAKER_00: not just the costs of being a public company, but, you know,
[09:36] SPEAKER_00: the time commitment that it really, really takes to be successful as a public company.
[09:44] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, entrepreneurs are always exposed to the eyes and the loads of
[09:54] SPEAKER_00: running and entrepreneurial business.
[09:56] SPEAKER_00: I would say that's kind of 10x when you're at the, at the whims of the capital markets
[10:03] SPEAKER_00: and the public markets as well.
[10:04] SPEAKER_00: So it takes a certain amount of intestinal fortitude, I would say,
[10:09] SPEAKER_00: to steer a company through the public markets as well.
[10:15] SPEAKER_01: Would you like most about being an entrepreneur, this is being an investment guy?
[10:21] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question.
[10:24] SPEAKER_00: You know, I would say, what we're doing, I'm extremely passionate about.
[10:32] SPEAKER_00: And obviously from my own personal connection to it, that for me is extremely important.
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: You know, when I was on the investment side, it was interesting, you know,
[10:46] SPEAKER_00: that you're providing capital and ultimately the resources for companies to grow and operate their business.
[10:54] SPEAKER_00: But you didn't really have much, you know, and I tried to position myself so that I could have some kind of influence
[11:02] SPEAKER_00: or supporting the company more than just investment, but it's kind of this passive,
[11:08] SPEAKER_00: it's a passive sort of commitment to an organization.
[11:13] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, being an entrepreneur and again, in particular,
[11:19] SPEAKER_00: and something that I'm extremely passionate about, there's no shortage of motivation to get out of bed every morning and go to work.
[11:28] SPEAKER_00: So I think that, that for me is exciting.
[11:32] SPEAKER_00: And I think, you know, we're at this kind of interesting, I think especially coming out of COVID,
[11:37] SPEAKER_00: there's a lot of entrepreneurs that, you know, they want to do something that is meaningful,
[11:43] SPEAKER_00: they want to do something that maybe has some purpose attached to it,
[11:46] SPEAKER_00: and they, you know, want to be able to build a life for themselves as well.
[11:50] SPEAKER_00: And I don't think that those need to be kind of mutually exclusive.
[11:53] SPEAKER_00: I think there's this kind of old paradigm of, you know, if you're going to be financially successful,
[12:00] SPEAKER_00: then you can't do something that does good in the world as well.
[12:04] SPEAKER_00: And I think that's, I don't think that's correct.
[12:07] SPEAKER_00: And so that's something that I get very excited about.
[12:11] SPEAKER_00: And I think we're in a time of entrepreneurship that really supports both.
[12:18] SPEAKER_02: So what's the greatest challenge you've faced in the business to date?
[12:23] SPEAKER_02: No, I mean, there's always lots of challenges.
[12:26] SPEAKER_02: What's the biggest one you've had to kind of jump over, if you like?
[12:31] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, the mental health care system is a huge system.
[12:39] SPEAKER_00: And unfortunately, when we think about mental health care,
[12:44] SPEAKER_00: it doesn't matter what you're looking at, whether it's anxiety, depression,
[12:50] SPEAKER_00: suicidality, substance abuse.
[12:52] SPEAKER_00: These are all rates that are going up.
[12:55] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, we believe that not just psychedelic therapy,
[12:59] SPEAKER_00: but new forms of mental health care can greatly shift that paradigm.
[13:05] SPEAKER_00: But it's a huge undertaking and it can feel, you know, it can feel like,
[13:10] SPEAKER_00: and I think I was sharing just before we got on last quarter,
[13:13] SPEAKER_00: we served about 20,000 people, which, you know, feels incredible.
[13:19] SPEAKER_00: And it's still just a drop in the bucket at the moment.
[13:23] SPEAKER_00: And so I think the challenge can be, there's so much to do,
[13:28] SPEAKER_00: and there's so many places to focus on.
[13:32] SPEAKER_00: But, you know, you have also being very conscious of resources,
[13:36] SPEAKER_00: really getting very focused on what it is that you want to contribute to
[13:43] SPEAKER_00: and staying focused on that before you start chasing, you know, too many shiny balls.
[13:49] SPEAKER_00: And I think this is probably something a lot of entrepreneurs struggle with,
[13:52] SPEAKER_00: is you have this grand vision and idea.
[13:55] SPEAKER_00: And I execute that in the most efficient way possible as you're building your business,
[14:01] SPEAKER_00: can take, takes a lot of focus.
[14:03] SPEAKER_00: And especially, you know, we've experienced this a lot in the psychedelic space,
[14:07] SPEAKER_00: where there's been moments of huge investment and excitement and
[14:11] SPEAKER_00: a volition to the marketplace.
[14:15] SPEAKER_00: You can get caught up in, you know, all of that momentum and sometimes maybe lose sight
[14:21] SPEAKER_00: of what it is that your business is really contributing to doing.
[14:25] SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's probably one of the, maybe not challenging,
[14:31] SPEAKER_00: but definitely something that takes the most amount of focus and energy
[14:35] SPEAKER_00: is to keep the company really on track.
[14:38] SPEAKER_02: I was going to say, you know, what were those challenges?
[14:41] SPEAKER_02: How do you, I mean, how do you typically handle them?
[14:43] SPEAKER_02: Focus is obviously part of it.
[14:46] SPEAKER_02: And the other things that we, that we should pass on.
[14:51] SPEAKER_00: Listening to your team, I mean, you're people are,
[14:54] SPEAKER_00: your people are always your most important asset in an organization.
[14:59] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, making sure that you're coming together with the team that you've created
[15:04] SPEAKER_00: to, you know, take that collective wisdom on how to move forward.
[15:10] SPEAKER_00: And make sure that you're engaging your team in that too.
[15:14] SPEAKER_00: You know, entrepreneurship can be a little bit of a lonely path at times.
[15:18] SPEAKER_00: And, and so remembering to lean on your team,
[15:24] SPEAKER_00: if you have advisors, you know, who are your sort of key stakeholders?
[15:28] SPEAKER_00: And, and really, you know, getting a good consensus bouncing off people.
[15:34] SPEAKER_00: And never underestimate, frankly, how much I think at times, you know,
[15:38] SPEAKER_00: especially when things are challenging can feel like there's not a lot of support out there.
[15:42] SPEAKER_00: But in my experience, more often than not, there's no shortage of people
[15:47] SPEAKER_00: who are willing to, to give some, some time or advice, even for free.
[15:53] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, I encourage people to continue to really pick up the phone and reach out to people.
[15:59] SPEAKER_02: The advice thing is interesting.
[16:01] SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think we've all had mentors, got mentors, whatever.
[16:08] SPEAKER_02: I have a couple of things that I, that stay with me all the time.
[16:13] SPEAKER_02: What's the best piece of advice that you've ever received?
[16:16] SPEAKER_02: You know, you kind of keep in your back pocket and it's there when you need it kind of thing.
[16:22] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
[16:25] SPEAKER_01: Who I wish I could just pick.
[16:28] SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I would say,
[16:33] SPEAKER_00: for me, you know, I have the, I have the opportunity to really understand
[16:40] SPEAKER_00: what our client needs because I've been there before.
[16:45] SPEAKER_00: And I had a mentor to me, remind me of that one time,
[16:50] SPEAKER_00: when there was a lot of hype and excitement.
[16:53] SPEAKER_00: And it felt like there was a lot of shiny ball chasing and said,
[16:57] SPEAKER_00: you know, don't forget what you would have needed when you were in that position.
[17:04] SPEAKER_00: And, and so, you know, I think a lot of people who are entrepreneurs
[17:08] SPEAKER_00: have, have some personal connection to the thing that they're, they're creating.
[17:14] SPEAKER_00: And, and for me, you know, when I'm in those moments of trying to make difficult decisions,
[17:20] SPEAKER_00: I really try and put, put my shoes on of the person who, you know,
[17:27] SPEAKER_00: ultimately we're trying to serve.
[17:29] SPEAKER_00: And, and every time that's, that's kind of been a very good guiding stone form.
[17:39] SPEAKER_02: Now, you, you came into this market, if you like, with a passion because of your,
[17:45] SPEAKER_02: because of your own, you know, personal health issues and things like that.
[17:51] SPEAKER_02: But if you weren't doing what you were doing now, what would you be doing instead?
[17:58] SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's going back into the capital markets, but what would,
[18:02] SPEAKER_02: what would you be doing instead?
[18:05] SPEAKER_01: You know, that's a very good question.
[18:11] SPEAKER_00: You know, I, I, I naively got into the capital market space because I thought that that was going to be my way to help people.
[18:20] SPEAKER_00: I wasn't going to be, I wasn't smart enough to be a doctor or, or any of those kind of things.
[18:25] SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, when I was 18, I said, well, you know, maybe I'll, I'll help people with their finances.
[18:31] SPEAKER_00: and I very quickly realize that helping people make more money
[18:36] SPEAKER_00: definitely doesn't make them happier.
[18:40] SPEAKER_00: And so, I think I've always been very passionate about ways
[18:45] SPEAKER_00: that I could be in service to people.
[18:48] SPEAKER_00: And I would say the thing I probably have the most experience in
[18:52] SPEAKER_00: is healthcare and in particular mental health care.
[18:56] SPEAKER_00: So probably something in that space.
[18:59] SPEAKER_02: I like your progression.
[19:02] SPEAKER_02: I thought it was getting into this based on your background.
[19:05] SPEAKER_02: It was good.
[19:07] SPEAKER_02: Simple question.
[19:08] SPEAKER_02: A morning or a night person?
[19:12] SPEAKER_00: I'm definitely a morning person.
[19:14] SPEAKER_00: I mean, I grew up on the West Coast and in the public markets
[19:17] SPEAKER_00: on the West Coast, if you're not a morning person, you're in trouble.
[19:22] SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, definitely, definitely a morning person.
[19:27] SPEAKER_02: What do you currently reading, listening to?
[19:31] SPEAKER_02: What I don't really care.
[19:33] SPEAKER_02: What kind of knowledge you currently kind of into?
[19:37] SPEAKER_02: Or a read recently that you think someone should pick up and read kind of thing?
[19:43] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[19:44] SPEAKER_00: You know, I usually have at least two or three books on the on the go at any given time.
[19:50] SPEAKER_00: I'm a bit of a knowledge to digester.
[19:57] SPEAKER_00: But there's a book.
[19:59] SPEAKER_00: There's a couple of books I make a point to pick up at least, you know,
[20:02] SPEAKER_00: every couple of years.
[20:03] SPEAKER_00: And for me, the alchemist is always on that.
[20:08] SPEAKER_00: I try and read the alchemist at least once a year if anybody hasn't read that book.
[20:13] SPEAKER_00: It's really, really good.
[20:15] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[20:18] SPEAKER_01: What's keeping you up at night?
[20:22] SPEAKER_00: Well, I have a two and a half year old daughter and another one,
[20:27] SPEAKER_00: another one on the way.
[20:29] SPEAKER_00: So that keeps me up most nights.
[20:33] SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I think the thing that probably keeps me up at night,
[20:38] SPEAKER_00: honestly, the most from an entrepreneurial perspective is,
[20:43] SPEAKER_00: you know, it's a double-edged sword being very passionate about something
[20:50] SPEAKER_00: that you've also made your profession.
[20:52] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, while that can really help with drive and motivation,
[20:57] SPEAKER_00: it's also hard.
[20:58] SPEAKER_00: I find it's hard at times to kind of turn it off.
[21:03] SPEAKER_00: And because I have so much passion and personal interest in this space.
[21:09] SPEAKER_00: So I find myself at times, you know, there's the hamster can be running on the wheel
[21:17] SPEAKER_00: for quite a while.
[21:21] SPEAKER_00: But again, grateful for it.
[21:24] SPEAKER_02: So one advice for me to give someone to, you know,
[21:27] SPEAKER_02: move into a new business, following a passion, whatever that might be useful for them.
[21:37] SPEAKER_02: Obviously, that could be a long list.
[21:40] SPEAKER_02: But, you know, one or two things that you think are really,
[21:44] SPEAKER_02: you have to cover kind of thing.
[21:47] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[21:48] SPEAKER_00: You know, first one and this will be cliche, but find people that, you know,
[21:55] SPEAKER_00: share the same passion that you do that you want to work alongside with.
[21:59] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, lean on those people.
[22:05] SPEAKER_00: Those are the people that are there for you when times are tough.
[22:09] SPEAKER_00: And equally, when times are good, keep you grounded and on track as well.
[22:16] SPEAKER_00: I can't understand the importance of a good team enough.
[22:21] SPEAKER_00: You know, and the other thing I would say is, you know,
[22:25] SPEAKER_00: for people who are starting a new business, and in particular,
[22:27] SPEAKER_00: if you're in, you know, maybe a new industry or a nascent industry,
[22:32] SPEAKER_00: don't forget to trust your gut on things as well.
[22:36] SPEAKER_00: I think we can get caught up in, you know, getting the opinions of a lot of people.
[22:41] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, kind of maybe contradictory to what I said before.
[22:46] SPEAKER_00: But, you know, get advice and input and listen and receive all of that.
[22:53] SPEAKER_00: But at the end of the day, you know, you're there for a reason.
[22:57] SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, as you're moving through and making decisions, you know,
[23:05] SPEAKER_00: trust your gut and trust your intuition and lean into it.
[23:09] SPEAKER_00: Don't, you know, don't take a kind of passive approach to trusting your intuition.
[23:14] SPEAKER_00: If you're going to trust your intuition and make a decision, really stand into it.
[23:18] SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that kind of authenticity and passion and vulnerabilities
[23:26] SPEAKER_00: is, you know, what makes your team passionate and really, really lean in.
[23:34] SPEAKER_00: And so, those are definitely two big things that I think of anybody who's looking to
[23:41] SPEAKER_00: get on the entrepreneurial path.
[23:44] SPEAKER_02: I've had to pick one word to describe Peyton and I, Christ.
[23:49] SPEAKER_01: What would it be? And why would you choose that word?
[24:01] SPEAKER_00: I would say passionate and, and again, I would say there's a double-ish sort to that too.
[24:12] SPEAKER_00: But, I would say, you know, we've, as a, as numerous as an organization,
[24:18] SPEAKER_00: we've experienced great moments of success, great moments of challenge.
[24:23] SPEAKER_00: But, we've never lost sight or lost passion for what we're doing.
[24:30] SPEAKER_00: And that passion for myself is really, as I said, it's, it supports when times are good
[24:40] SPEAKER_00: and it supports when times are challenging as well.
[24:43] SPEAKER_00: And, and I think we need, I think we need a lot more of that in the, in the entrepreneurial and business world as well.
[24:52] SPEAKER_02: It's great. Peyton, we're coming to the end of our session here.
[24:57] SPEAKER_02: How can people get a hold of you if they, if they listen to this, you know, happens all the time,
[25:02] SPEAKER_02: people want to get a hold of, they don't want to get hold of me.
[25:04] SPEAKER_02: They don't want to get a hold of me.
[25:07] SPEAKER_02: That's about it. How can we get a hold of you?
[25:10] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can go to our website, numinous.com, or our, on social media channels.
[25:17] SPEAKER_00: And, and myself personally, it's, it's my first and last name on, on all the major social media channel.
[25:25] SPEAKER_02: Thanks for coming on Canada's podcast. It's been great meeting you.
[25:29] SPEAKER_02: And, yeah, I'm, I'm going to watch, watch what you're going with the company.
[25:33] SPEAKER_02: I think that's really, really good.
[25:35] SPEAKER_00: Thank you. Appreciate you having me on.