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[00:00] SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Canada's podcast.
[00:06] SPEAKER_02: Hi everyone and welcome to Canada's podcast.
[00:08] SPEAKER_02: I'm Phil Bliss, a Toronto host.
[00:11] SPEAKER_02: Today I'm going to introduce you to Michael Kamarata,
[00:14] SPEAKER_02: who is the CEO of Neptune Wellness Solutions, a TSX company.
[00:20] SPEAKER_02: Michael has got a very interesting background.
[00:24] SPEAKER_02: He's actually the founder of Random and Currents,
[00:27] SPEAKER_02: a venture capital and private equity firm.
[00:30] SPEAKER_02: And you know, really is from New York, although managing a TSX company,
[00:38] SPEAKER_02: as I said, that was, there's actually headquartered in Quebec.
[00:42] SPEAKER_02: So he's, so we really have, you know,
[00:45] SPEAKER_02: a good North American story here, basically.
[00:49] SPEAKER_02: And I think, you know, what you'll find most interesting is how
[00:54] SPEAKER_02: Michael progressed as a dyslexic kid to really becoming a millionaire
[01:00] SPEAKER_02: by the time he was 13.
[01:02] SPEAKER_02: So without further ado, let's say welcome to Michael.
[01:07] SPEAKER_02: Before we go any further, you know, you've got a,
[01:12] SPEAKER_02: you've got an interesting story, I know.
[01:15] SPEAKER_02: And you're an American running a TSX company
[01:19] SPEAKER_02: that's had quoted in Quebec.
[01:21] SPEAKER_02: And today you're in Jupiter, Florida.
[01:24] SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I think that's the kind of, you know, sort of scenario.
[01:28] SPEAKER_02: It's very common with Canadian U.S.
[01:32] SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's always a lot, there's a lot of, you know, overlap.
[01:37] SPEAKER_02: We have a fairly large U.S. audience and Canadian audience.
[01:41] SPEAKER_02: But, you know, give us the sort of five minutes on who Michael is
[01:47] SPEAKER_02: and how he got to be an entrepreneur.
[01:50] SPEAKER_00: Five minutes, I'll try to be the breath and.
[01:52] SPEAKER_02: We'll spread it out a little bit.
[01:57] SPEAKER_00: Honestly, it was like, I was a highly dyslexic kid.
[01:59] SPEAKER_00: I was born in New York and I tried sports.
[02:03] SPEAKER_00: And I knew it wasn't going to make it to Olympics.
[02:05] SPEAKER_00: I was very fortunate enough to meet two people that introduced me to a computer game
[02:11] SPEAKER_00: called Starcraft.
[02:13] SPEAKER_00: And I got my first computer, start playing it,
[02:17] SPEAKER_00: and I got into a group of gamers and they taught me how to build websites.
[02:21] SPEAKER_00: I think I learned more from that than I did from many of the schooling.
[02:24] SPEAKER_00: Websites became popular, had to pay for their hosting to keep them up.
[02:29] SPEAKER_00: So, I started a hosting company.
[02:31] SPEAKER_00: Then the hosting company took off and then I got on top line advertising
[02:36] SPEAKER_00: to promote the hosting company and then ultimately to build additional capacity
[02:41] SPEAKER_00: to market the web hosting company.
[02:45] SPEAKER_00: And then it was very successful.
[02:48] SPEAKER_00: I was one of the largest providers of inventory at Comicord advertising.com.
[02:52] SPEAKER_00: That sold a well for $498 million.
[02:55] SPEAKER_00: When I was 17, as when I started my family office,
[02:59] SPEAKER_00: and started investing in different companies, mainly in FinTech and the service industry at first.
[03:07] SPEAKER_00: I was very fortunate to learn about the entertainment side of the businesses.
[03:13] SPEAKER_00: And that's really where it switched.
[03:15] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, you know what, you can create content and market it.
[03:19] SPEAKER_00: But if you can create content and market and have a positive impact,
[03:22] SPEAKER_00: you can create a brand and brands last for hundreds of years.
[03:26] SPEAKER_00: And so instead of being a service business, I really wanted to focus on building my asset pool on brands
[03:31] SPEAKER_00: that can make a difference in people's lives on a daily basis.
[03:35] SPEAKER_00: Because every number, you know, you grow up, you pick a toothpaste brand or deodorant brand,
[03:39] SPEAKER_00: or you have a different soda you drink or now you have different types of sodas.
[03:44] SPEAKER_00: And you really can enhance that person's lifestyle.
[03:47] SPEAKER_00: And the more that I looked internally, like how I was being my own lifestyle,
[03:51] SPEAKER_00: I started realizing the products that I'm using around me affected.
[03:54] SPEAKER_00: So, I started focusing on the brands in 2015.
[03:58] SPEAKER_00: We started this brand called Schmitz deodorant,
[04:02] SPEAKER_00: four people, 1200 square feet, and grew to, you know, over 118 employees,
[04:09] SPEAKER_00: 30 plus thousand square feet, multiple offices.
[04:11] SPEAKER_00: We're taking market share away from the biggest brands in the world that have been around for a decade
[04:17] SPEAKER_00: and on our way to the IPO ended up getting acquired
[04:22] SPEAKER_00: and joined Unilever as a divisional CEO, focusing on my little department and health and wellness.
[04:29] SPEAKER_00: And then ultimately, to speed it up, I got into looking at ingredients
[04:34] SPEAKER_00: because the products, the consumer shifting, they want plant-based ingredients.
[04:39] SPEAKER_00: And a way to make day-to-day products safer,
[04:41] SPEAKER_00: a lot of people talk about cannabis is getting higher adult consumption or medical.
[04:46] SPEAKER_00: But there's actually a much bigger purpose in the plant, just in the cannabis nodes.
[04:51] SPEAKER_00: Like, we can make a plant-based natural deodorant be as effective as a 48-hour clinical strength deodorant.
[04:56] SPEAKER_00: Or toothpaste that's natural, that can fight ginger vitus.
[05:00] SPEAKER_00: Or a shampoo product that can actually not cause hair loss,
[05:05] SPEAKER_00: or potentially neurological issues of use in FedEx,
[05:09] SPEAKER_00: fragrance.
[05:10] SPEAKER_00: And it just started even in the cleaning products.
[05:13] SPEAKER_00: And so that's when I started on my journey and said,
[05:15] SPEAKER_00: okay, how do we get into that?
[05:17] SPEAKER_00: And we found out that there wasn't a lot of companies focusing on that third use.
[05:20] SPEAKER_00: They're focusing on adult consumption and medical.
[05:21] SPEAKER_00: So I joined Neptune from Unilever and started focusing on that third use.
[05:28] SPEAKER_00: And really making finished-formed products and focusing on brands.
[05:32] SPEAKER_00: And brands that can be used by plant-based ingredients and unilever partners of ours
[05:38] SPEAKER_00: and international fragrances and flavors.
[05:41] SPEAKER_00: And Morgan Stanley, we have a great relationship with now.
[05:45] SPEAKER_00: And really Neptune is really at the forefront of that third category.
[05:50] SPEAKER_02: But what do you say?
[05:51] SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know, you said the dyslexic side of things or that mood to being an entrepreneur.
[05:58] SPEAKER_02: You were really successful.
[06:01] SPEAKER_01: You sold to Unilever when in as a divisional CEO.
[06:09] SPEAKER_01: Why did you roll back into entrepreneurship?
[06:13] SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's something that I'm the most comfortable with.
[06:16] SPEAKER_00: I like building, right?
[06:16] SPEAKER_00: And I can see things when people can't.
[06:20] SPEAKER_00: And I can go into areas where it's being disrupted or may look chaotic.
[06:25] SPEAKER_00: And I always come out on top.
[06:27] SPEAKER_00: I think that's a gift of the way I think.
[06:31] SPEAKER_00: And how much effort I put into my business world and looking at it.
[06:35] SPEAKER_00: I can see the solutions before most people can.
[06:38] SPEAKER_00: So I think that that's something that's natural.
[06:40] SPEAKER_00: And I think that when you look at Unilever or being in a big organization
[06:45] SPEAKER_00: with 160,000 employees, being able to go into a company that, you know,
[06:51] SPEAKER_00: had been around for 22 years and really be able to shape an image.
[06:55] SPEAKER_00: But actually have it serve some of the biggest companies in the world.
[06:59] SPEAKER_00: And really make a difference.
[07:00] SPEAKER_00: Like we can do things faster and more efficiently than some of the biggest companies.
[07:05] SPEAKER_00: And have that impact.
[07:07] SPEAKER_00: Like I think that right now it's like the the can't have an origin like the electric car battery.
[07:12] SPEAKER_00: And we're and the whole consumer package good industry is going to be disrupted by them.
[07:17] SPEAKER_00: And we're at the forefront of it.
[07:19] SPEAKER_00: And I think being able to do that and put your mark on history.
[07:22] SPEAKER_00: People may not understand it at first and believe me for like I could retire.
[07:28] SPEAKER_00: And I'm 35 years old.
[07:30] SPEAKER_00: But I really want to make a positive impact.
[07:32] SPEAKER_00: And I think if we can we can go and do that right now on a scale that, you know,
[07:37] SPEAKER_00: there's not many times in history you're going to be able to disrupt the whole industry.
[07:41] SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you've done these things.
[07:45] SPEAKER_02: You know, I like to ask about challenges.
[07:48] SPEAKER_02: I mean, because that's how we learn.
[07:52] SPEAKER_02: What's the greatest challenge you've faced on your, you know, your entrepreneurial journey to date.
[07:58] SPEAKER_02: That really taught you a lot that you can pass on to somebody.
[08:02] SPEAKER_00: Well, I think the biggest challenge is, you know, how I think is different and how I communicate is different.
[08:09] SPEAKER_00: Not everybody can understand how I'm looking at a problem or see it.
[08:13] SPEAKER_00: And when I was really young and odd, she was one of the, I was very fortunate to have a tutor,
[08:19] SPEAKER_00: cast struggling in school.
[08:20] SPEAKER_00: Like I got a GED, right?
[08:22] SPEAKER_00: But, you know, I feel like I got a PhD at Unilever and definitely a double PhD now in Neptune.
[08:28] SPEAKER_00: The hardest thing was was the confidence, right?
[08:32] SPEAKER_00: I think most dyslexic people are people with learning disabilities is they seek.
[08:37] SPEAKER_00: They seek like reassurances from other people, right?
[08:41] SPEAKER_00: But it actually takes away from your gifts that you have because you see things different for a reason.
[08:47] SPEAKER_00: And you can't always explain in the same philosophy.
[08:50] SPEAKER_00: The best way to look at it is a math problem, right?
[08:53] SPEAKER_00: If I try to use the formulas that the teachers taught me to solve a math problem,
[08:57] SPEAKER_00: I'll never be able to do it.
[08:58] SPEAKER_00: But if I look at the math problem as a question, and I just have to provide the answer,
[09:03] SPEAKER_00: then I can go and make my own formulations and I can give them the answer.
[09:08] SPEAKER_00: That's a little bit at an example in a school years,
[09:12] SPEAKER_00: like how I, and it took Ann Dodd to help me build my confidence
[09:15] SPEAKER_00: and not fall into the trap of putting your faith in others,
[09:19] SPEAKER_00: but looking at what your weaknesses are in your thought process
[09:22] SPEAKER_00: and trying to bring the people along with the journey, but have that confidence in yourself.
[09:28] SPEAKER_02: So, just on a more pragmatic level, can you give me an example of what I'm doing?
[09:33] SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, where you've hit that wall that we do at various times,
[09:38] SPEAKER_02: that we're building things, and sometimes you go over it, sometimes you go around.
[09:45] SPEAKER_02: How, you know, give us an example of how you've managed to get around the wall, you should like.
[09:53] SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, like in a deodorant company, I'll give you an example.
[09:56] SPEAKER_00: My theory was we find, I partied with the lady who had a formula.
[09:59] SPEAKER_00: It was an inchar.
[10:00] SPEAKER_00: Costco is a $58 million ski, right?
[10:03] SPEAKER_00: I thought I could stick the deodorant from the jar into a co-packer
[10:07] SPEAKER_00: and put it into a stick and sell the Costco.
[10:10] SPEAKER_00: What I didn't know that that formulation, what made it so special at the time,
[10:14] SPEAKER_00: was it's all plant-based, not liquid-based.
[10:17] SPEAKER_00: The co-packers were all doing liquid-based formulas of natural deodorant, like Tom's main and others.
[10:23] SPEAKER_00: They weren't able to put that formula into it.
[10:26] SPEAKER_00: So, we actually had to build a factory.
[10:27] SPEAKER_00: I've never built a factory before.
[10:29] SPEAKER_00: Never intended to build a factory before at that point.
[10:33] SPEAKER_00: And it took years before we got right PhDs, without a scientist,
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: to help us modify that formula in a way we could protect the IP
[10:42] SPEAKER_00: and use co-packers to bring it to scale.
[10:46] SPEAKER_00: And we committed to launches that we had to deliver on.
[10:48] SPEAKER_00: So, I think that, you know, most people would have been like,
[10:54] SPEAKER_00: okay, we need to stop and start a new product line.
[10:56] SPEAKER_00: Or we need to change the formula.
[10:58] SPEAKER_00: They don't look, I think that, you know, taking it on as a challenge
[11:01] SPEAKER_00: and seeing that that's what makes you unique,
[11:04] SPEAKER_00: it may be a little bit more stressful.
[11:06] SPEAKER_00: Or like, when I came into the cannabis industry,
[11:09] SPEAKER_00: and a company that was known to be an extractor,
[11:12] SPEAKER_00: and I said, no, we're going to be a consumer package, good company.
[11:14] SPEAKER_00: We're going to build finished-form products.
[11:15] SPEAKER_00: We're not going to do crude oil.
[11:17] SPEAKER_00: We're going to focus on servicing Fortune 500 customers
[11:19] SPEAKER_00: and deal indirectly with governments and building our own brands.
[11:23] SPEAKER_00: Like, most people would have been like, why would you exit that?
[11:26] SPEAKER_00: But it ended up being the right call,
[11:27] SPEAKER_00: because if you look at a lot of the other extractors,
[11:30] SPEAKER_00: I think we perform very well in in dramatic times
[11:33] SPEAKER_00: and brought on a lot of new institutional investors
[11:37] SPEAKER_00: where others struggle to do that.
[11:39] SPEAKER_00: And I think that you don't always get to make the calls
[11:41] SPEAKER_00: that are easiest, being in a publicly-traded company
[11:45] SPEAKER_00: is a little bit harder because you can't really always communicate
[11:47] SPEAKER_00: And as frankly as I would normally in a private company
[11:52] SPEAKER_00: Why this the strategy and why we move different ways but over time people see that and
[11:58] SPEAKER_00: being dyslexic and you know hitting walls every which way you go because it's not a textbook, right?
[12:05] SPEAKER_00: I think entrepreneurs what they make the textbooks they create the opportunities
[12:09] SPEAKER_00: They can see things where they're not there, right?
[12:12] SPEAKER_00: It's like people like why'd you get into distribution business? Well, I'm like look at Activision, right?
[12:16] SPEAKER_00: Activision started working on buying distribution companies
[12:19] SPEAKER_00: Then they started partnering with publishers that made games and then they became the publisher
[12:23] SPEAKER_00: You have to have the distribution you have to have the content you have to have all these different components to get it and build something that's big
[12:33] SPEAKER_02: You mentioned someone that kind of mentored you earlier and you know, what's the best piece of advice
[12:40] SPEAKER_02: that you've ever received that you use you know
[12:44] SPEAKER_02: Constantly or not constantly but you come back to on a regular basis
[12:50] SPEAKER_00: Well, I think it's you know the self confidence is huge like people like that's the thing that makes or breaks people
[12:57] SPEAKER_00: I think the biggest thing that that I keep going back to with Ann Dodd who's one of my tutors when I was younger was like look at everything as a question and give the answer, right?
[13:08] SPEAKER_00: Um
[13:08] SPEAKER_00: You're not it's not as always easy to bring out that thought process and so sometimes it makes it more confusing when you try and you walk somebody through your thought process
[13:17] SPEAKER_00: um, I think that
[13:18] SPEAKER_00: The ability to understand that there's only one thing for sure in life and it's changed like that's the only thing you can count on
[13:25] SPEAKER_00: What it is today? What are the strategies are this moment?
[13:28] SPEAKER_00: Are going to be different there's going to be external forces of all different types whether you're public private
[13:34] SPEAKER_00: You're selling a toothpaste or you're selling a
[13:38] SPEAKER_00: A soccer ball
[13:38] SPEAKER_00: There's always going to be changed and that is the thing you can count on and not being shocked by the change
[13:44] SPEAKER_00: But actually embracing it is something that's made me very prosperous and in my life personally and in business and
[13:51] SPEAKER_00: And knowing that it's an element that that you have to really focus in on to grow as a human and and
[13:58] SPEAKER_00: Being okay with it and I think that and being okay with yourself, right?
[14:03] SPEAKER_00: Are and looking for opportunities like when they when people to I can't like I'm the best thing I like to do is find assets
[14:09] SPEAKER_00: That no one else can make successful and then make them successful, right? That's something that I feel like as a gift of mine and something that I enjoy doing
[14:18] SPEAKER_00: Um, but again, you know, mostly we were like that's a lot of stress you put on yourself
[14:22] SPEAKER_00: Uh
[14:23] SPEAKER_02: They're speaking though. I mean imagine you you know
[14:27] SPEAKER_02: Your 20-year-old self if you could go back that 15 years or so you know
[14:35] SPEAKER_01: What advice would you would you pass on to your 20-year-old self
[14:42] SPEAKER_01: Something that you thought I said, you know
[14:46] SPEAKER_00: If you don't have to go back there's a lot of things because you know you can't play from the car I can't have today
[14:51] SPEAKER_00: I would not I was not dealt back then I started from nothing and and got a GD like I was not like
[14:57] SPEAKER_00: Being successful and any sort was it was good because it built myself confidence
[15:02] SPEAKER_00: But I think if I can go back I'd be like
[15:05] SPEAKER_00: Be a little bit less stressful on yourself like don't like I'm my biggest critic
[15:09] SPEAKER_00: Like people may think they're more critical of me
[15:11] SPEAKER_00: I think I'm definitely gonna take their criticism and even be more criticized. So it's like
[15:16] SPEAKER_00: uh
[15:17] SPEAKER_00: I think I would tell myself to you know
[15:20] SPEAKER_00: If not everything is break and make and
[15:23] SPEAKER_00: That definitely try not to be so stressful or put too much stress on myself because I definitely hold myself to high standard
[15:30] SPEAKER_00: I'm very fortunate from what I built
[15:33] SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't take anything for granted like you can lose everything in a day
[15:37] SPEAKER_00: um
[15:38] SPEAKER_00: But knowing the fact that you can you can survive and you're gonna be able to prosper and sometimes these lessons are there to teach you
[15:45] SPEAKER_00: Like I don't think I was thinking that way when I was younger. I was like there's no exception, right?
[15:51] SPEAKER_00: It's like you have to
[15:53] SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think that that's probably and I probably will have spent a little bit more time on the personal life
[15:58] SPEAKER_00: um
[15:59] SPEAKER_00: Not just 99% or 100% on 120% on business
[16:06] SPEAKER_01: You you you a morning or a night person
[16:10] SPEAKER_02: Night person for sure
[16:11] SPEAKER_02: Night person
[16:13] SPEAKER_02: Most of the young friends I meet are the morning people so that's kind of interesting
[16:18] SPEAKER_00: Well, I have all my meetings in the morning, but I do my creative thinking at night
[16:21] SPEAKER_00: Like I like to listen to music and and and sort out my thought process
[16:26] SPEAKER_00: Because I think that if you get too much into the meetings you lose the vision and I think the vision is what drives everything
[16:33] SPEAKER_01: If you have to pick one word to describe who Michael is
[16:39] SPEAKER_01: What would it be and why?
[16:42] SPEAKER_00: I'm a problem solver like I like problems like it's what makes me like when most people uh
[16:47] SPEAKER_00: uh
[16:49] SPEAKER_00: You know stop fighting to get too worried the more something the more there's a competitor the stronger I get the more there's a like because I really like problem solving
[16:59] SPEAKER_00: And I like to you know it's my sport business is my sport and
[17:02] SPEAKER_00: You're not everything you're gonna win not everything you're gonna do it
[17:05] SPEAKER_00: But if you can take your passion and turn it into something that that you can help change lives or millions of people
[17:11] SPEAKER_00: Like that's that's great
[17:13] SPEAKER_00: So I'm like it's like you're playing on a sports team, but you know you're building products and those products are improving the environment
[17:19] SPEAKER_00: Like there's not another first like the biggest thing is like
[17:22] SPEAKER_00: Everybody's like why did you go with I'm gonna do 50 50 male female
[17:26] SPEAKER_00: Oh, he's not anybody else in cannabis has any of those goals and I was like well because
[17:32] SPEAKER_00: This is what makes us unique we got to raise the bar because our other peers have to like we're committed to 50 50 male
[17:38] SPEAKER_00: Female when I started we were less than 23% now we're at 41% we're almost the 50 50
[17:42] SPEAKER_00: Inclusive of factories which is huge and like carbon negative when I focus in carbon neutral or focus in carbon negative
[17:49] SPEAKER_00: Like I think making sure that when you're doing something you really are driving at that point to release the bar
[17:56] SPEAKER_02: So what is the future of your industry? You know the
[18:01] SPEAKER_02: Not just the cannabis side but but the health side
[18:06] SPEAKER_02: Side of it as well as wellness side of it. I mean, what do you think?
[18:10] SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a changing scene
[18:12] SPEAKER_02: Um, and you you're you're a guy that
[18:16] SPEAKER_02: Says you know you you have vision. I'm interested to know
[18:20] SPEAKER_02: You know what those two things do they stay together? Do they do they choose their own route?
[18:25] SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm interested to know what the future is
[18:28] SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't the stigma behind THC which is really stigmatizing whole ingredient because everybody thinks cannabis
[18:35] SPEAKER_00: They think of THC
[18:36] SPEAKER_00: I think that very near in the future people realize that
[18:42] SPEAKER_00: There's going to be an alternative to aspirin and it's gonna use cannabinoids. There's gonna be plant-based
[18:47] SPEAKER_00: geoderm two-faced soaps
[18:49] SPEAKER_00: Cleaning products that are actually going to help the environment the sustainable packaging
[18:53] SPEAKER_00: That are going to be healthy for you. I think consumers are waking up to the fact that you know
[18:58] SPEAKER_00: Potentially 50% of all the dynoses
[19:00] SPEAKER_00: Um that I that they're having come from what you put in on a round you body
[19:05] SPEAKER_00: And the majority of those are products that you're not even thinking about
[19:09] SPEAKER_00: Like when you see that vape crisis right that showed you how
[19:12] SPEAKER_00: An ingredient can be vaporized and and can have a negative effect on something really quickly
[19:17] SPEAKER_00: But what about a shampoo bottle that has this synthetic fragrance in it that you're using every day for 50 years
[19:22] SPEAKER_00: And you get hair loss or neurological damage like there's so many products and problems in the house
[19:27] SPEAKER_00: That consumers are waking up to doing that and they're seeing plant-based as internally
[19:32] SPEAKER_00: When I was a kid people probably thought plant-based were like weaker products your cheaper products
[19:38] SPEAKER_00: Now people think of products that they are more expensive or premium
[19:43] SPEAKER_00: But in the fact they're just going to be part of everyday products
[19:45] SPEAKER_00: I think the biggest change people gonna see is that cannabis is much more that plant the hand plant or cannabis plant
[19:51] SPEAKER_00: Inside that plant there is hundreds of cannabis and and and different ingredients that can be made from it
[19:58] SPEAKER_00: That will change every product you use and the bigger industry is not going to be the adult consumption
[20:03] SPEAKER_00: The bigger industry is going to be the consumer products that you use in the daily basis from cleaners and tear all those household products
[20:11] SPEAKER_02: Very interesting
[20:12] SPEAKER_02: Good answer good answer
[20:16] SPEAKER_02: Michael come to the end of this
[20:19] SPEAKER_02: How can I mean some great some great insights
[20:22] SPEAKER_02: I always say you know people listen and how can they connect with you and mean don't have to be email
[20:28] SPEAKER_02: But you know people have questions quite often when they listen so I can't answer them you can
[20:35] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you know I'm on Instagram Mike
[20:39] SPEAKER_00: Camerata or Twitter Mike Camerata
[20:43] SPEAKER_00: Um also if you're Neptune's website you can I I have the community sell where any investor anybody can reach out and
[20:50] SPEAKER_00: And I do my best to try and get back to everybody
[20:53] SPEAKER_00: Like I do think that within the limitations of what I'm allowed to talk about based on public disclosures and all of those other regulatory bot
[21:00] SPEAKER_00: I do my best
[21:02] SPEAKER_00: I'm always excited to engage and and you know
[21:05] SPEAKER_00: This is one of the most unique times like we're going to see one of the biggest industries in the world disrupted in the next five years
[21:12] SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm
[21:13] SPEAKER_02: Okay
[21:15] SPEAKER_02: Exciting times thank thank you Michael that really really good good perceptions. Thank you
[21:23] SPEAKER_02: And thank you. No, thanks. Go on. I'm gonna spot us anytime. I've been listening. Have you saw it's very interesting
