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[00:00] SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Canada's Podcast.
[00:05] SPEAKER_00: Hello, I'm Mario Tonigus, managing editor of Canada's Podcast.
[00:10] SPEAKER_00: Joining me today on Edmonton's Podcast is Gail Taylor,
[00:14] SPEAKER_00: who is a songwriter, speaker, entrepreneur, and many other things.
[00:18] SPEAKER_00: Thanks for joining us today, Gail.
[00:21] SPEAKER_01: Oh, Mario, thanks for having me.
[00:23] SPEAKER_00: All right, tell us a little bit about what you do.
[00:27] SPEAKER_00: As I said, there's quite a span of things there, but what do you focus on and what do you do up in Edmonton?
[00:37] SPEAKER_01: Tell you how I got here, too, because this is kind of my interesting story is I was a financial advisor for 25 years.
[00:46] SPEAKER_01: And when I was 58, I started taking piano lessons and I had no music background, none.
[00:52] SPEAKER_01: And I just like it was learning the scale, the whole bit, and I just fell in love with it.
[00:58] SPEAKER_01: And so after two years, I thought, you know, I'm going to retire a little earlier than I had planned.
[01:04] SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to study musical time.
[01:07] SPEAKER_01: So I saw my practice at the age of 61, started studying musical time.
[01:13] SPEAKER_01: That's the jack of all tracing.
[01:15] SPEAKER_01: It was based guitar songwriting, ear training, you name it the whole bit.
[01:21] SPEAKER_01: Two years later, I thought maybe I'll reinvent myself as a musician.
[01:26] SPEAKER_01: And when I told that story to folks, I kept getting, oh, that's so inspiring.
[01:31] SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go do, but eat, but eat something they put on the back burner.
[01:35] SPEAKER_01: So I thought, whoa, I'm coming out of retirement.
[01:38] SPEAKER_01: I'm going to start a business, scale, kill, and music.
[01:41] SPEAKER_01: And I'm going to become a keynote speaker and help other people figure out how to be their best sounds using my personal stories.
[01:48] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that's what I'm up to.
[01:51] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, when you talk about your music, can you talk a little bit about what?
[01:57] SPEAKER_00: So what do you do? Like, what do you play? Like what kind of music do you play as well?
[02:03] SPEAKER_01: Songwriter. And I play the keyboard.
[02:06] SPEAKER_01: And so once I write a song, I co-produce that with, I work out a Nashville.
[02:13] SPEAKER_01: I'm in Edmonton, but I have a studio that I record within Nashville.
[02:17] SPEAKER_01: So, and sometimes I go down there and sometimes we do it by Zoom.
[02:23] SPEAKER_01: And so I'll tell them what I'm looking for.
[02:25] SPEAKER_01: So, and I'll give them a demo. I'll make a demo by myself or with my co-writer.
[02:30] SPEAKER_01: And then I'll record it in Nashville.
[02:33] SPEAKER_01: And then I distribute it. I put a video on it and I distribute it through a distribution.
[02:39] SPEAKER_01: So all my music, I have a catalog of 13 songs.
[02:42] SPEAKER_01: And it are all like on Spotify and Apple and YouTube, wherever you want to listen to them.
[02:48] SPEAKER_01: And in the last, out of the 13, the last five, I even got good enough to play the keyboards on my own song.
[02:56] SPEAKER_00: Cool.
[02:57] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[02:58] SPEAKER_00: And so how would you classify the genre of music?
[03:03] SPEAKER_01: Country, country rock, pop rock. I'm still trying to find where I fit.
[03:10] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. There are a couple of social songs about equality and the environment that they're kind of a soft rock.
[03:18] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[03:19] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[03:20] SPEAKER_00: So how does somebody, you know, who uses that I always get mixed up left side or right side of the brain, whatever it is.
[03:29] SPEAKER_00: But one side of the brain, which is very analytical and logistical, you know, all that stuff, right?
[03:38] SPEAKER_00: How does one take that side of the brain and now into the artistic and creative side of the brain?
[03:45] SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know that you had to shift sides because music is all math.
[03:53] SPEAKER_01: Music is not. It's all broken into beats and quarter beats and everything's math.
[03:59] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[03:59] SPEAKER_01: And then also finance is very creative.
[04:03] SPEAKER_01: Like is to do a finance business like I manage people of high net worth individuals retirement portfolios.
[04:10] SPEAKER_01: And I had to design the portfolios and it's not the stock market's not a science.
[04:18] SPEAKER_01: As you know, it was up and down.
[04:20] SPEAKER_01: So yeah, there's a lot of creativity.
[04:23] SPEAKER_01: I actually didn't find them to be black and white.
[04:27] SPEAKER_01: I found that there was a real middle ground on both my my captures of my life.
[04:33] SPEAKER_00: Oh, interesting. Yeah.
[04:34] SPEAKER_00: So when you're looking at a music, I, you know, friend of mine, I try to remember his phrase, but he talks about music being, you know, you know, good for the soul.
[04:48] SPEAKER_00: And and have you found that like, you know, it nurtures our soul and music.
[04:55] SPEAKER_01: Absolutely. And I think it heal. Right. So when I decided I was going to be a keynote speaker.
[05:02] SPEAKER_01: I tell personal stories. I had a lot of challenges in my life and there was, you know, everything from family addiction to marriage breakdowns.
[05:12] SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of challenges, a lot of curveball. I come on my way.
[05:17] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[05:17] SPEAKER_01: When I tell these personal stories and some of the, I've been setting personal growth since the 70, you know, personal growth peak performance.
[05:27] SPEAKER_01: And so when I talk about these things and then I share my share stories of tools folks can use.
[05:35] SPEAKER_01: And then I use my, I'll put a song and a video up on the big screen behind me.
[05:40] SPEAKER_01: I think the music is healing. I think, you know, you, you, you can just listen to a song and it can just create so much positive energy for you.
[05:50] SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Yeah.
[05:52] SPEAKER_00: I would just think it of myself. So, you know, some, it depends on the mood, right. Sometimes I mean the mood to listen.
[05:59] SPEAKER_00: What am I listening to this afternoon? I'm listening like to these energy music.
[06:04] SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, you go from massage and, you know, I have that, right.
[06:11] SPEAKER_00: And then with Tibetan bells and stuff like that. And then switch gears. And if I want to really get going, it's, okay, it's time for some AC DC, right.
[06:21] SPEAKER_01: There you go. There you go. And I got a little bit of all of it. I got the balance and I got the movie song in my catalog.
[06:30] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly. So, and, and, and music also takes you back to, to events and things in your life, doesn't it.
[06:41] SPEAKER_00: I, I find myself that if I hear a song, I'm transported back to a certain time or certain period or something that happened.
[06:50] SPEAKER_00: Do you find that as well?
[06:52] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely. And being a baby boomer, I mean, I'm going back to, like, I saw Chuck Berry live.
[07:01] SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's great. I go back away. And, but I'm listening like the rolling stones, like, because I started music, this late in life, I thought, okay, you know, I got, I'm 68 now.
[07:15] SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, my journey, maybe I got a couple of decades left.
[07:21] SPEAKER_01: Heck, my Jagger's going on tour at the age of 80.
[07:24] SPEAKER_00: And, and, and not slowing down from what I've seen.
[07:29] SPEAKER_01: Well, he knows and he's still out there too. So, so I think you're, yeah, there's, there's a lot of, and, and I mean, your question made me think of those guys, because those songs that bring back memories from.
[07:42] SPEAKER_01: When you were going to stone concert.
[07:45] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So when you're out there as a speaker, like, what kind of topics do you cover and, and, and, and who's your audience?
[07:55] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So I have three main topics. And my audiences are conferences and a lot, a lot of, a lot of events, corporate events.
[08:06] SPEAKER_01: I can talk to 500, 1000 people. And my three topics are mental health and addiction and empowerment, empowering women and leveling up.
[08:21] SPEAKER_01: And so leveling up the audience is just, you know, I mean, get me in front of some nurses and teachers, man, because those folks got beat up by COVID.
[08:30] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. And, you know, to talk to them about working, you know, that was a pretty big curveball, right?
[08:37] SPEAKER_01: I talk a lot about the curve balls that life throws at us. And it's not the curve balls that matters. It's how you are able to handle them and get through them and grow from.
[08:48] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. Right.
[08:48] SPEAKER_01: And so leveling up is anybody that is in a place in their life where they want to get to that next level.
[08:56] SPEAKER_01: I want to get out of their funk. They want to get farther up in their career, wherever they're trying to go.
[09:02] SPEAKER_01: And then a lot of my addiction topic is for folks that had loved one.
[09:08] SPEAKER_01: That had had addictions and or people that work in that industry or doctors or nurses, but I mean, we've got an epidemic right now in our country.
[09:21] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[09:21] SPEAKER_01: The opioid epidemic is just brutal. So many people are dying from fentanyl and and it's just, you know, so many families are being affected by it.
[09:32] SPEAKER_01: And my talk is for them to give themselves permission to still be happy with their lives, even though the loved ones going through some brutal parallel journey.
[09:46] SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, when we talk about mental health, I know it was well, it is a big topic today, but it was became like really big during the pandemic, you know, for those two years, two, three years, whatever.
[10:03] SPEAKER_00: You know, and addictions, whether they're drugs or alcohol, I've always been there, but do you think they're kind of accelerated these days because of the things like the COVID that we've gone through.
[10:17] SPEAKER_00: And now, you're on the economic challenges that practically every person in this country faces, right?
[10:25] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so. I think I think COVID really did a number on a lot of folks like I always talk about reinventing yourself. Now I reinvented myself because I wanted to, but a lot of folks were forced to.
[10:49] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[10:50] SPEAKER_01: I think it's a lot of people who are going to get through the whole of the whole of their drugs, just to help them get through it and help them deal with what was going on.
[10:55] SPEAKER_01: Heck, we have TV commercials now on saying, you know, you're over indulged during COVID, but maybe considering backing off.
[11:04] SPEAKER_01: So you know, you know that that happened.
[11:07] SPEAKER_01: The real problems right now is that the opioid product has got a deadly ingredient in it that's causing so many people to OD.
[11:21] SPEAKER_01: No, I went to a mental health breakfast and they were giving the nephroxen kits to people so that if you happen to see somebody OD downtown, you could just dab them and help them stay alive.
[11:34] SPEAKER_01: If you wouldn't believe Mario, the lawyers, the accountants, the business people that were lined up to get these gifts.
[11:42] SPEAKER_03: Wow.
[11:43] SPEAKER_01: I was so impressed with the people doing that, but I was so horrified that we're in that time, that frame right now where you have to do that. That's scary stuff.
[11:56] SPEAKER_00: I want to talk to you a little bit about your leveling up stuff. So what is the key there? Like, you know, I think most of us, if we have any ounce of ambition in us, we want to get better, right?
[12:10] SPEAKER_00: And we want to do better and an A who we are and then B what we do, right? And so what is the key to leveling up and going the next level?
[12:20] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay. So there's a number of keys, but I'll touch on one, right? And because there's there's a number of them. I mean, you're here. You want to be here. Right? So that's step one is define. You're here. You want to be here.
[12:35] SPEAKER_01: So what's in between? What are the steps you've got to take to get in between? And what sets apart the people that actually stop making it is the follow through, right?
[12:47] SPEAKER_01: They follow through. Everybody can figure out that roadmap.
[12:52] SPEAKER_01: Follow through. It's like a diet. Everybody knows how to eat out the MN moderation, but how do you follow through with it?
[13:00] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So one of the keys, one of the things that really worked for me and I've read several, several books on it is your internal chat.
[13:09] SPEAKER_01: That power that it, I mean, it's positive thinking internal chat. And so if you're, if you're giving yourself limited, limited beliefs in yourself, then your subconscious mind's going to do what you tell us.
[13:26] SPEAKER_01: And so what I did and what I trained folks to do is you're thinking in your mind, all these positive things that you want to do. And then all of a sudden, I can't do that because, you know, I don't have the right education or I don't have the right contact.
[13:42] SPEAKER_01: Then stop that.
[13:44] SPEAKER_01: There's a couple of ways. One way I actually sell pendant that you use as a trigger. So you literally might as being young, but you literally take the pendant and you scratch it and you rub it and you say, okay, you know, say young, positive thinking.
[14:04] SPEAKER_01: Want to be limited. I want to do this and you, you manifest in your brain what it is that you want. Yeah, before I had the pendant, I just used the words garbage in garbage out.
[14:15] SPEAKER_01: And I stole that from an Olympic athlete.
[14:18] SPEAKER_01: That was, you know, absolutely, that's what he did. He found herself thinking negative should go garbage in garbage out. It's good if you're alone when you blast it out like.
[14:32] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[14:34] SPEAKER_00: We never use little sticky post it notes on your computer or your mirror or whatever with positive thoughts.
[14:41] SPEAKER_01: Absolutely. Everyone. Absolutely. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Because once you can shift that internal dialogue. Yeah. You can make it so that it stays. Yeah. Through your whole life.
[14:53] SPEAKER_01: I've, I have, I shifted it 20 years ago and 80, 90% of the time doing positive thinking and dancing through life.
[15:05] SPEAKER_00: It's interesting. Yeah. But it's hard. It's not an easy thing, especially when we see everything that's going on today, right?
[15:15] SPEAKER_00: It impacts us. So it impacts our minds quite substantially, doesn't it?
[15:22] SPEAKER_01: It's not any easier than going to school and getting a degree. It's not any easier than learning a trade. Yeah. That's the whole point. It's hard.
[15:32] SPEAKER_01: And you have to do it every day and you have to follow through with it. So it's like learning a piano, learning a new language, running a marathon.
[15:42] SPEAKER_01: And then you have to get a little bit more focused on, you know, things that are worthwhile aren't always easy, right? There's all you have to put a lot of work and a lot of effort.
[15:50] SPEAKER_01: But then if you do it, you get to design your own life.
[15:54] SPEAKER_00: And how important is it if you fall to get back up?
[15:58] SPEAKER_01: It's important and and you don't lose what was behind you, right?
[16:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. If you if you trained to run a marathon and all of a sudden you have a little setback, your training doesn't go away.
[16:12] SPEAKER_01: Sure. Your muscles are built. You're you've got the heart. It's the same with this, you know, something's a reality. That's just that's like it's curve balls are coming out yet. And you're going to step back.
[16:25] SPEAKER_01: And but that doesn't mean you let go of it.
[16:29] SPEAKER_00: Yeah. Okay, you mentioned.
[16:31] SPEAKER_01: Hell toys like how's the eating is a lifestyle toys are exercising to lifestyle.
[16:35] SPEAKER_01: Watching your teeth every day is a life.
[16:38] SPEAKER_00: True. We have choices in our lives all the time.
[16:42] SPEAKER_00: You mentioned the phrase curve balls a few times. I know this is a subject or the title of a book you're you're writing correct.
[16:51] SPEAKER_01: I am as a keynote speaker. So I hired an entertainment lawyer actually out of Calgary.
[16:58] SPEAKER_01: And when I was setting things up, he said,
[17:02] SPEAKER_01: thank you should write a book to accompany you on the speaking and add to your credibility.
[17:08] SPEAKER_01: And I had already written a book. I used to teach introductions to the financial markets at the University of Alberta to the faculty of extension.
[17:17] SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't find a textbook I liked so I wrote one.
[17:22] SPEAKER_01: So I had already written and published a book on a topic I was passionate about.
[17:26] SPEAKER_01: And I got no problem I could do it again. So curve balls is a book that's a lot about the things we've been talking about.
[17:35] SPEAKER_01: It talks about all my personal stories and a lot of the curve balls that life threw at me.
[17:41] SPEAKER_01: My father dying these spiraling out of control. And then and then all these tools that I learned that worked for me.
[17:50] SPEAKER_01: I figured if they work for me, they could work for anybody.
[17:54] SPEAKER_01: And so, so yeah, I'm really excited. It's coming out in the spring.
[17:58] SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool. All right. So tell me, you know, you know, when you look at examples out there.
[18:07] SPEAKER_00: And stories of people who have done things and been successful.
[18:13] SPEAKER_00: How important is that?
[18:15] SPEAKER_00: You know, to provide inspiration for yourself. Not I don't mean like yourself like you, but yourself. Just people.
[18:24] SPEAKER_00: Are stories of inspirational stories important for people to follow and look at?
[18:30] SPEAKER_01: I think they are. I think they're really important, but it's also important to listen to the messaging behind it.
[18:39] SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't matter whether you're listening to, I don't know, Oprah Winfrey or Tony Robbins or Dolly Parton.
[18:47] SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter if you listen to them, they're all saying the same thing. And they're all saying what I'm saying.
[18:54] SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how much crossover there is to what makes people take their dreams to reality.
[19:06] SPEAKER_01: And anytime you listen to these speakers, if you listen to ten of them and you don't know,
[19:12] SPEAKER_01: the five tools that they gave you, I bet you anything across the 10.
[19:17] SPEAKER_01: There's going to be at least three or four overlapped. That's going to be how, how much gets.
[19:24] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[19:26] SPEAKER_01: You just have to learn the, learn the formula and then do the work and follow through.
[19:31] SPEAKER_01: And they're all giving you the formula.
[19:34] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, over the years and this is going to get a little personal, but.
[19:41] SPEAKER_00: Well, you know, these kind of personal growth, personal development, people have been around for a long time, right?
[19:49] SPEAKER_00: The sort of the Dale Carnegie's and Napoleon Hills, the world, the Norman Vistens Peele, all that I read them all.
[19:57] SPEAKER_00: I read them all too.
[20:00] SPEAKER_00: That's why I said it was going to get personal, but don't you find that it's.
[20:07] SPEAKER_00: These types of people and what they're talking about has grown, has accelerated in the last, I don't know, 10, 10 years, 20 years.
[20:20] SPEAKER_00: You know, and you mentioned like the Tony Robbins of the world and there's many others out there.
[20:27] SPEAKER_00: Why do you think that's happened?
[20:30] SPEAKER_01: Two things happened, I think when you're talking about the 10 years because it was really, really that whole personal growth industry went crazy in the 70s and 80s.
[20:43] SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
[20:44] SPEAKER_01: Right. And I mean, you can still walk into any bookstore and by think and grow.
[20:50] SPEAKER_01: True.
[20:51] SPEAKER_01: It's still there.
[20:53] SPEAKER_01: And so I don't think any of the last 10 years, people have been not only reading from what you and I talked about and the classics of it, but or has been written like I've been reading this book, the art of the impossible peak performance.
[21:16] SPEAKER_01: By this Stephen Kotler.
[21:21] SPEAKER_01: And he's basically all what we just talked about.
[21:26] SPEAKER_01: Oh, higher and saying, hey, you want peak performance?
[21:32] SPEAKER_01: Yes.
[21:33] SPEAKER_01: We're talking cold fondues to get your system away can alive.
[21:39] SPEAKER_01: And so I just think there's there's a lot of always going to be human nature.
[21:44] SPEAKER_01: There's always going to be people out there that want to level up.
[21:49] SPEAKER_01: Like you said, that you know there, I describe myself as somebody who craves productivity.
[21:55] SPEAKER_01: activity. And I'm not alone. I'm not alone. There's a lot of people out there. And so this
[22:03] SPEAKER_00: industry isn't going to go away. Yeah, exactly. My personal favorite small little book as a man
[22:11] SPEAKER_00: think of. I don't know if you ever read that. I miss that one. Okay. I think that I'll get down.
[22:17] SPEAKER_00: That was your favorite. As a man think of. Okay. Yeah. I think the author was a guy named James
[22:24] SPEAKER_00: Allen. But again, it's it's all about, you know, the garbage in garbage out type thing, right? And
[22:30] SPEAKER_00: it's just so big. So tell me, Gail, you know, obviously you do a lot of stuff here.
[22:36] SPEAKER_00: You know, what do you do to relax and, you know, and don't say music, you gotta have something else.
[22:44] SPEAKER_01: I'm a biker. So I go biking and what kind of bike?
[22:50] SPEAKER_01: We have a e-bike. We usually go out and do, I go out with my husband on the weekends and we'll do
[22:57] SPEAKER_01: like 30 to 50 kilometer. Oh cool. And so yeah, we're out like the good three hours. And
[23:05] SPEAKER_01: yet you can get as much exercise as you want with those bikes. Yeah. But when it comes to going up
[23:10] SPEAKER_01: the hill, it allows us to go all over the city, right? Exactly. Yeah. So that's one thing I do.
[23:16] SPEAKER_01: The second thing is I have a couple of little grandchildren that one year old and two and a half
[23:23] SPEAKER_01: year old that live in Edmundton. So I spend a lot of time playing with them and dancing with them.
[23:30] SPEAKER_01: Oh, sometimes I put them years ago. Yeah, I have I have a lot of fun. So those are my those are my two.
[23:39] SPEAKER_01: And you know what, when we go back to the tools and being being your best self, I think
[23:45] SPEAKER_01: downtime is so important. I think you have to schedule downtime into your into your agenda as a
[23:53] SPEAKER_01: really important like I come down to the music studio. You're in my music studio now. And I come
[23:59] SPEAKER_01: down here around six in the morning and I go back upstairs at four o'clock and I spend my evenings
[24:04] SPEAKER_01: with my husband. We have dinner together and our evening together. And then I take my weekends
[24:11] SPEAKER_00: off and do my in my grandkids and my bike. But it's tough break. You know, especially if you know
[24:19] SPEAKER_00: the entrepreneurial world, you know, you're a business owner. You've got a lot of stuff going on
[24:26] SPEAKER_00: in your head, lots of responsibility and pressures and challenges, etc. It's tough to carve out some
[24:35] SPEAKER_00: time for some downtime. But it's really important, isn't it? Yeah. And I, you know, where it
[24:41] SPEAKER_01: becomes on top, I should be doing time management too, as one of my, one of my pages, where it becomes
[24:51] SPEAKER_01: easier is when you understand in in your head that just as important as the work time. And it
[25:01] SPEAKER_01: allows you to be more efficient in the work time, right? If you get out of your head and you go,
[25:07] SPEAKER_01: you know, relax and do your fun things, and you get back to work, you're a lot, you're a lot
[25:15] SPEAKER_01: sharper than if you don't leave that. Yeah. And so yeah, that's, that's what I find. And then
[25:22] SPEAKER_01: the other part too, when you were talking about, you know, what, how do you love a lot? But the
[25:27] SPEAKER_01: other thing that I think is really important is that you find a job that you're passionate about
[25:34] SPEAKER_01: or that has purpose for you, you know, because you spend 50% of your waking hours at work, right?
[25:41] SPEAKER_01: And so don't be sludged, you know, don't, don't saddle. And a job people say, well, I need a
[25:48] SPEAKER_01: paycheck so that I could pay my mortgage to my family. Absolutely. But a job that I would love to do,
[25:55] SPEAKER_01: somebody else would hate to do and maybe sludge it, right? So, so the one that works for you that
[26:02] SPEAKER_01: you're passionate about gets out there. And if you're in one that's not, either turn it into a
[26:08] SPEAKER_01: passion or, or move on, that I really believe that. Yeah, exactly. Well, thanks very much,
[26:15] SPEAKER_01: Gail, for joining us today. Oh, man, thank you for having me. This was really nice.
[26:20] SPEAKER_00: All right, wonderful. That was Gail Taylor, who is a songwriter, speaker, and an entrepreneur. And
[26:28] SPEAKER_01: send people to my website gailtailermusic.com. So repeat that again.
[26:35] SPEAKER_01: Taylor music. Okay, wonderful. Okay. Thank you.
[26:40] SPEAKER_01: I L E I L. Okay, excellent.
[26:44] SPEAKER_00: Very. Okay. Thank you. Gail, that was Gail Taylor. Again, I'm Mario Tonogusi, managing editor
[26:51] SPEAKER_00: of Canada's podcast today, Edmonton's podcast. Thanks for joining us.
