Shrad Rao Discusses Wagepoint & Building Business in Tough Times Like the COVID-19 Pandemic

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[00:00] SPEAKER_02: It's Toronto's podcast on the Canada's podcast network.
[00:06] SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, I'm Phil Bliss, a business visionary and welcome to Toronto's Podcasts.
[00:12] SPEAKER_01: Part of the Canada's podcast network, your source of the great insights from entrepreneurs
[00:17] SPEAKER_01: across Canada.
[00:19] SPEAKER_01: Today, we're going to meet with Straderoll, who's the founder and CEO of Waitbunk.
[00:26] SPEAKER_01: Waitbunk is a highly successful company and delighted abstract.
[00:30] SPEAKER_01: So, Strader, welcome to Canada's podcast.
[00:34] SPEAKER_01: You know, why don't you tell us a little bit about who you are, how you got here, and maybe at the same time,
[00:40] SPEAKER_01: a little bit about wage point, which is your focus for the last few years in terms of building something from scratch, kind of thing.
[00:49] SPEAKER_00: Or if you're, hey, I'd like to meet you, Philip.
[00:52] SPEAKER_00: And of course, we have been chatting for the last 20 minutes.
[00:55] SPEAKER_00: So, I was good chat from myself as well.
[00:58] SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, so my name is Strader, I'm the CEO of Waitbunk.
[01:02] SPEAKER_00: A little bit about myself is that I founded the business.
[01:05] SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess a little bit about myself is that right now I'm in San Francisco,
[01:10] SPEAKER_00: having moved here from Atlanta a few weeks ago, as I was joking with you to sort of have a broader social life,
[01:17] SPEAKER_00: only to find myself in quarantine for the next three weeks.
[01:22] SPEAKER_00: So, I'm so glad that I decided to increase my cost of living around this time.
[01:28] SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so, yeah, so I'm a Canadian entrepreneur that has moved and I'm guessing buy country as well.
[01:36] SPEAKER_00: But I also grew up in Dubai.
[01:38] SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm Indian by ethnicity. I was born in Dubai.
[01:40] SPEAKER_00: So, very global heritage.
[01:42] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I call myself a style of the three world.
[01:46] SPEAKER_00: And that's really what I want.
[01:47] SPEAKER_01: When did you get to Canada? I'm just curious, you know, in terms of you.
[01:50] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was 19.
[01:51] SPEAKER_00: So, I was in Dubai at this time and I had just finished.
[01:56] SPEAKER_00: I finished high school at an early age, not because I'm a genius,
[02:00] SPEAKER_00: but because my mom had three kids at the same time and she was like,
[02:03] SPEAKER_00: let's just start sending them to school early.
[02:05] SPEAKER_00: So, I think I was in kindergarten, I think at like two and a half.
[02:09] SPEAKER_00: So, I was just like, that's it. I'm done with you guys. You go to school.
[02:13] SPEAKER_00: So, we ended up, I was like 16 and a half, I think,
[02:17] SPEAKER_00: or something when I graduated high school.
[02:19] SPEAKER_00: So, I had a few years to, I was always very sure that that working was much easier than studying.
[02:26] SPEAKER_00: And so, I decided that before I went to university, which I knew was my final destination,
[02:30] SPEAKER_00: I would go work.
[02:34] SPEAKER_00: And so, that's what I did in Dubai for a few years.
[02:37] SPEAKER_00: And then when it came time to picking up a country to go to,
[02:40] SPEAKER_00: because I wasn't going to stay in Dubai long term, I decided that I would pick Canada,
[02:48] SPEAKER_00: because Canada, like on, they were number one country to live on the UN's list for seven years in a row or something like that.
[02:56] SPEAKER_01: I was like, I think we still are.
[02:58] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we still are, yeah.
[02:59] SPEAKER_01: And so, I saw them all, I'm obviously not from Canada either, but here I am.
[03:03] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did notice that Philip.
[03:08] SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so it's not throwing a dart.
[03:10] SPEAKER_00: I was like trying to be selective about where I go, because I wanted to pick a home.
[03:15] SPEAKER_00: And Canada's social justice values really spoke to me.
[03:19] SPEAKER_00: And I was from Dubai and there was desert environment.
[03:22] SPEAKER_00: And then I saw cheese and water.
[03:24] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, let's go there.
[03:26] SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, so that's sort of a bit of my background.
[03:28] SPEAKER_01: I know you studied out east, but I mean, what we decided to become an entrepreneur.
[03:34] SPEAKER_01: You know, you got your residency in Canada, all of that stuff.
[03:38] SPEAKER_01: You know, did you work for a while?
[03:43] SPEAKER_01: Why an entrepreneur?
[03:45] SPEAKER_00: No, so I always know when I was going to be an entrepreneur since I was a kid.
[03:50] SPEAKER_00: It was either that or journalist or Indiana Jones.
[03:53] SPEAKER_00: And I was pretty sure Indiana Jones wasn't an actual legitimate.
[03:58] SPEAKER_00: And so, yeah, so it was, I was always going to be an entrepreneur.
[04:01] SPEAKER_00: Like I remember, even as a kid, I, there was almost no other path for me.
[04:07] SPEAKER_00: I can't really explain it other than to say that I like to be able to influence change.
[04:13] SPEAKER_00: And I more than anything else, I'm very, I like to be, I like to curate the company I keep.
[04:21] SPEAKER_00: And I don't really like a subtle fools.
[04:23] SPEAKER_00: So all of those reasons.
[04:26] SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying that like I don't, you know, obviously this sounds very, you know, like as if I only want to hang out with smart people.
[04:32] SPEAKER_00: That's not the case. I just want to hang out with good people.
[04:36] SPEAKER_00: And so ultimately, it is really about being able to control my environment as much as possible without getting obsessed with not it.
[04:43] SPEAKER_00: So that's really why I always know now is going to be an entrepreneur.
[04:47] SPEAKER_00: I don't think I actually thought about any other way to live in some ways.
[04:52] SPEAKER_01: Okay. You know, how did you get into this current sort of the wage point?
[05:00] SPEAKER_01: So I mean, why, why payroll?
[05:04] SPEAKER_00: So I, you know, the real answer here is that again, based because I was always going to be an entrepreneur.
[05:13] SPEAKER_00: I, I'm not a, I'm not the kind of entrepreneur that falls in love with the product.
[05:17] SPEAKER_00: Like I don't brush my teeth when they have like this brilliant like light bulb of an idea.
[05:22] SPEAKER_00: I'm more like, I'm more of problem solvers.
[05:25] SPEAKER_00: So I look for problems to solve.
[05:26] SPEAKER_00: And it's not the product itself. It's the problem that's interesting for me.
[05:31] SPEAKER_00: And so when I was looking at the space, like I literally use a method method, method, methodical way, I guess of looking at building a business.
[05:40] SPEAKER_00: And I, a good way to think about that is I was looking at, I wanted something with a large total addressable market.
[05:48] SPEAKER_00: I wanted something that was a pain killer or not a vitamin product.
[05:51] SPEAKER_00: You know, something that everyone needed to have.
[05:53] SPEAKER_00: And I remember thinking that I wanted to trip over customers better by event.
[05:56] SPEAKER_00: So if I was, you know, eating dinner, I could like find a customer if I was getting my haircut back with possibly a customer.
[06:02] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, how do I wear what kind of business is looks like this?
[06:06] SPEAKER_00: And at this time, I was in, in St. John, New Brunswick, which was very event to school.
[06:12] SPEAKER_00: And I was kind of trying to figure out how I would, how I would achieve these entrepreneurial sort of ambitions.
[06:21] SPEAKER_00: And, and I started looking for a partner to go do that with.
[06:25] SPEAKER_00: And it didn't matter to me what kind of business we had, but I always knew that I love collaborative walking.
[06:30] SPEAKER_00: So like the idea of being with someone else is a lot more fun than just doing it on your own.
[06:35] SPEAKER_00: And so I was looking for a partner before I knew what business I was going to build because I figured that if I could find someone with similar value systems, like we cared about the same things, we could figure out everything else in life from that.
[06:47] SPEAKER_00: And so I started doing like founder dates, if you will, in St. John.
[06:52] SPEAKER_00: I was like 60 or 70 of these like pure dates, essentially having your every night.
[06:59] SPEAKER_00: 60 or 70 of these later, all that was happening, I was putting on a lot of weight from the beer.
[07:05] SPEAKER_00: And, and I was like, okay, I have to solve this problem in a different way.
[07:09] SPEAKER_00: So I, one of my friends introduced me to a guy who had built a company called Ledger's before.
[07:16] SPEAKER_00: And during the dot com bust, our boom, he actually, he actually was successful for some time, but then got caught up in the bust aspect.
[07:25] SPEAKER_00: And so he, for me, the idea of someone building something and then even if he didn't, if it was not successful, it was not that important.
[07:32] SPEAKER_00: It was more important that someone tried.
[07:34] SPEAKER_00: And so I really respected that. And so his name is Bill Norphy. And once I met him, I basically said, whatever you're working on, I'm going to, I'm going to do this.
[07:46] SPEAKER_00: I'll give you one year for free and I'll work on anything.
[07:50] SPEAKER_00: And so this is basically how I started this journey. I had $18,000 in my bank, which is what I had saved.
[07:57] SPEAKER_00: I had a year to give to anything, whatever it was, but I had to make it successful. That was the plan.
[08:04] SPEAKER_01: You know, we're talking about the COVID-19 thing. That's a very good statement.
[08:10] SPEAKER_01: You know, you know, if you think about us entrepreneurs and some of the scaring us that we're going into, that, you know, you had $18,000.
[08:22] SPEAKER_01: And then you decided to go for it, work for free and live off that.
[08:29] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[08:31] SPEAKER_01: Basically, you know, based on a good, you know, a good direction that you felt, you felt solid about.
[08:40] SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
[08:41] SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you were doing something else, this is, I mean, if you think about people whose business is tumbling, sometimes, you know, is, you know, don't, don't stay focused on the tumble.
[08:57] SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe do a swerve and, and, and, and, you know, and get work yourself out of it.
[09:05] SPEAKER_00: Absolutely. Yeah. But for me, it was deliberate, though. So I, you know, it was something that I, I didn't know what I was going to do, but I knew I had time or I had bought myself time.
[09:14] SPEAKER_00: And I knew that I can do anything.
[09:17] SPEAKER_00: And that's the entrepreneurial optimism, right? Like there's nothing that I, if I'm decided to do something, it's getting done.
[09:23] SPEAKER_00: And it's that, it's that almost determination, like, you know, someone I know actually says so, so she was said that the day after I left my job, I woke up at seven o'clock in the morning and I was, it was like I had a job for me.
[09:40] SPEAKER_00: It didn't look like I was, I was out of a job. Like, I didn't look like I was unemployed. I looked like I had a job, but it was just now doing it for myself.
[09:50] SPEAKER_00: And so you had a focus again. I mean, you know, I didn't, I don't think about, I think I just, I don't like, I don't know for some reason, it didn't occur to me that I had time. I just was doing something else. That's all.
[10:02] SPEAKER_00: But, but to your point of the COVID thing, I think some people right now, especially are experiencing the shock of having this happen. And not some people, all of us are for the most part.
[10:13] SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if they, like, you know, I had a bit of a, I was doing it for me.
[10:18] SPEAKER_00: I mean, through four sessions, this is like nothing, nothing, nothing on my earth anyway, that I've ever known. No, no, and I, I don't think anyone has. I mean, nobody, like, people dream about this or they, like, you know, we're talking with this, like, you've watched it in movies.
[10:35] SPEAKER_00: But in this particular case, you can't actually leave the theater or your house. So it's kind of a, it's a very strange time that we're living in for sure.
[10:45] SPEAKER_01: Okay.
[10:47] SPEAKER_01: What we, you know, where are you driving your business to? You know, obviously you have a large Canadian customers. You're in the US now.
[10:57] SPEAKER_01: It's, I mean, it's kind of a funny question, but I think we all have to stay on the fact that sooner or later, the things are going to, going to kick the gear.
[11:08] SPEAKER_01: You know, you're really busy for the wrong reasons at the moment, which you were saying, which is people's layoffs. So the business is still busy. But, you know, where do you see your business in the next five years?
[11:24] SPEAKER_00: Yeah. No, I mean, you're right. It is a difficult question. I'm sort of right now because you're so faced with such uncertainty.
[11:31] SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so payroll companies right now at the epicenter of everything that is happening around COVID related to layoffs because especially in Canada with records of employment, you know, you need a record of employment to claim EI.
[11:45] SPEAKER_00: And our team is truly aware of what the impact of impact their work is on on getting these ROEs out. So we have people. So usually let's say on a day, we get like 2000, sorry 200 ROEs, right now we're getting like 2000.
[11:59] SPEAKER_00: So that's the extent of it. And we don't have like, obviously there's almost no time that we're thinking, oh, we're going to get 2000 at one shot.
[12:08] SPEAKER_00: And this is like, I mean, this is rolling in. So I'm talking about like a continuous role of layoffs that's happening right now. So we are seeing the impact on our on our customer base, but also on our employees like we right now, like everything I've got is going around marshaling the team, making sure that everyone is.
[12:29] SPEAKER_00: You know, the people are not getting burnt out because we have you have to move people all over the place just to make this make it through this and get make it make take it to a point where customers and their employees, but particularly if you think about it, most of the people who are most vulnerable in society, other ones getting laid off right there.
[12:47] SPEAKER_00: So we have to be able to do our work, our workers, people who possibly are living paycheck to paycheck, maybe dependent on what we're doing for food and rent.
[12:55] SPEAKER_00: So we can't we can't slow down like as tiring as it is, we actually have to deliver. So this is a it's a trying time for both us and the customers and the employees. It's all three of us. So anyway.
[13:06] SPEAKER_00: So the greatest challenge you've you've met in the business today or yes, yes, yeah, you can put it out of doubt. I mean growing a business is always challenging, but you're never expecting to have this scenario where everything's happening at once.
[13:20] SPEAKER_01: You you plan to scale a business in a certain way. This is not when you when you meet challenges, which we all do, you know, how do you you have a methodology way to handle them.
[13:33] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, a lot of it is is trusting the people that you've hired. I think that's like the most important thing. I there's one is like I know who my generals are.
[13:44] SPEAKER_00: And I use this word, you know, I know this sounds like war words, but to some extent we're facing a battle almost and that battle is just the fact that there's escalating issues coming from every direction.
[13:56] SPEAKER_00: And our job is to make sure that the customers come for the throughout this whole time, which because they're also scared of nervous and it's just a difficult situation.
[14:05] SPEAKER_00: All payroll companies are going to this right now. If it's normal times where competitors right now we're friends because we're all facing it together.
[14:14] SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so I mean, trusting the people that you've hired, identifying your generals and giving them the space to do your work.
[14:21] SPEAKER_00: So I'm not checking in like every like few minutes. How is it going? How's it going? Because it's going to make everyone crazy. I'm giving sure that I'm making sure that they have enough space.
[14:29] SPEAKER_00: But also things like, I mean, you know, if you think about it, our employees are already.
[14:34] SPEAKER_00: Our employees can see the impact of the layoffs. And that means that they know we're going to have reduced revenue.
[14:40] SPEAKER_00: And so they're already concerned naturally about what that means, what that reduced revenue means. Like doesn't mean that they're going to they are going to be out of a job.
[14:48] SPEAKER_00: Unlike other, you know, jobs where this may have come suddenly to people. These guys have to see the impact almost slowly.
[14:56] SPEAKER_00: So it's a combination of being super transparent, super honest. So like I took proactive measures. I said, I know people are going to start to worry about this. Talk to me directly.
[15:06] SPEAKER_00: And here I only have like a plan for how I would take care of everyone because I want to make sure that that is my first priority.
[15:13] SPEAKER_00: So long story short, it's really it's there is no one answer, but it is certainly.
[15:19] SPEAKER_00: It's using all of my entrepreneurial hustle to keep to keep everyone together.
[15:24] SPEAKER_00: But you should also know Philip that we've always been a remote company from day one.
[15:29] SPEAKER_00: I've never we've never had an office. So for us, it has not impacted us like.
[15:34] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's actually good in today's world. That's a good thing. Yeah. Okay.
[15:38] SPEAKER_01: I would like to pretend.
[15:40] SPEAKER_01: We got we gather once a week as a team.
[15:45] SPEAKER_01: The ones that are in the GTA area. The rest of us, you know, someone's in the UK somewhere in Romania.
[15:51] SPEAKER_01: So similar kind of situation. So, you know, just coming back to you because it kind of we're kind of jumping here.
[16:00] SPEAKER_01: But that's okay too much too many.
[16:02] SPEAKER_01: The time the time and the time requires that.
[16:07] SPEAKER_01: But think about you, you know, if you could go back in time, what advice would you give your 20 year old self?
[16:14] SPEAKER_01: Start sooner.
[16:17] SPEAKER_00: I think I think so I some of that wasn't fully my in my hands. Like I had a unique situation.
[16:23] SPEAKER_00: I was a university student and international student in Canada for a while for five years.
[16:29] SPEAKER_00: And at the time that I had gotten my my like I finished university.
[16:35] SPEAKER_00: At that time, there was only you had three months to find a job after your last exam.
[16:39] SPEAKER_00: So your last exam onwards, you had three months to find a job.
[16:43] SPEAKER_00: So it was it was not I had to find a job and then you were in indentured servitude.
[16:48] SPEAKER_00: Like you were only bonded with that company.
[16:51] SPEAKER_00: I'm using these words deliberately because I afterwards the human rights basically for Canada sort of struck down all of these rules because it didn't make any sense.
[16:59] SPEAKER_00: You can't be forced to be with an employer just because you are a word international student and now you're not.
[17:04] SPEAKER_00: So, so all of these change, of course, the the the the year after I graduated, all these rules just basically went to hell.
[17:14] SPEAKER_00: But my point is that I wish I had done it during my university and my I wish I'd just broken some rules to be very honest like I think I was too.
[17:24] SPEAKER_00: Too honest and not even honest but too too worried about you know what the damn fixations could be but I really should have just said you know what I'm an entrepreneur and I know this I should just do what I need to do.
[17:36] SPEAKER_00: So I wish I had started earlier that would be I think the biggest advice I'd give myself because I would have had more time to make mistakes too.
[17:43] SPEAKER_01: Here's another question that kind of overlapped into into into to put the COVID thing.
[17:50] SPEAKER_01: Okay, because you know like or not because of layoffs and things like that in in in one sense those things are creating potentially creating entrepreneurs because they only they have to do something.
[18:04] SPEAKER_01: Right. So, you know, and there's no job so they have to do that. So with that in mind and I'm thinking a little bit as well.
[18:14] SPEAKER_01: What advice would you give an entrepreneur that's about to start out in this kind of you know pretty I mean it's obviously a recessionary economy.
[18:26] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[18:26] SPEAKER_01: If it wasn't last week it will be next week kind of thing.
[18:30] SPEAKER_00: Yeah. I mean really right now I think a lot of common sense things right if you're going to actually like everything you do has to be it still has to meet a need right all commerce or businesses about that.
[18:42] SPEAKER_00: So today maybe anything that's non essential or it's probably not the business to go in and again anyone who has common sense will actually say yeah that.
[18:50] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just be really logical. I mean don't don't don't be a motion. You can't be emotional about entrepreneurship.
[18:56] SPEAKER_01: You can be you can you can be energetic about it but emotion not not such a good idea.
[19:03] SPEAKER_00: Well, and it goes back to problem solving right like I mean very very often entrepreneurs and I think this is particularly non tech entrepreneurs to be very honest like you're talking about tech entrepreneurs and not tech entrepreneurs and I think I think this is particularly true for non tech entrepreneurs.
[19:18] SPEAKER_00: But it's very dream based you know starting a business is about having a dream and fulfilling that dream.
[19:25] SPEAKER_00: It's not about the act of being an entrepreneur necessarily it's about fulfilling a specific type of idea or dream.
[19:31] SPEAKER_00: So I've always jumped of having a cupcake store and selling cupcakes right and beautiful having beautiful you know whatever window displays or whatever.
[19:41] SPEAKER_00: I feel like tech entrepreneurs one of the reasons possibly that we tend to sort of look and sound similar is because we approach it from what is the problem we're solving as opposed to what is the product we're selling.
[19:52] SPEAKER_00: And again I'm not to disparage any other group of people because I love all of them and that's actually why we're at the business of of serving small businesses so we can support them.
[20:02] SPEAKER_00: But I do think that right now is not about dreams it's about problems and so and to your point I mean that's when you say it's not about emotional things about energy energy and logic that's how I started two businesses in sessions so wow.
[20:19] SPEAKER_01: And you hear about that well it's a cool thing but whatever I mean you know we're not talking so we're going to keep coming back to our.
[20:31] SPEAKER_01: To our to our theming because I look because we're overlapping like hell I was wondering how we were going to bring in coven 19 and we can help it bang it's right there you know you know how it's it's here you know we can't talk about it.
[20:45] SPEAKER_01: Yeah this is about you and I don't know I don't know what this question doesn't really apply if you're doing what you would do if you're doing weren't doing what you would do for work now what would you be doing instead will you be doing another entrepreneurial eventually.
[21:01] SPEAKER_01: Instead yeah to be that's your thing okay you know you're a night person I'm definitely morning person yeah me too so yeah yeah but no I mean like it's about 70 30 people I I've interviewed 70% of entrepreneurs are morning people.
[21:20] SPEAKER_01: Oh really okay but there and there tends to be a line you know they are there they really are either morning or or I I agree I agree.
[21:31] SPEAKER_00: I'm not that functional like my brain is an as functional fast like probably like night eight or nine o'clock in the night I just can't do it.
[21:39] SPEAKER_01: My answer for 30 in the morning that's a shut down at 3 30 in the afternoon you know oh yeah it's about you know it's a good one if you had to describe yourself in one word what would it be and why would it be.
[21:57] SPEAKER_00: balanced.
[21:59] SPEAKER_00: balanced okay yeah I think that I would say that's probably the most accurate description or one word if if they could boil someone down into one word this complexity of this person.
[22:13] SPEAKER_00: I think that the reason I say that is because I can usually I think I'm equal IQ and EQ I mean when I say equal I don't need 50 50 but I just mean like I can balance between those two very easily and just being able to look at I think looking out word is rather looking inward is equally important is looking out word.
[22:36] SPEAKER_00: So very often I think other entrepreneurs have this problem to I'm not sure but this is something I'd love to learn about in even in general.
[22:45] SPEAKER_00: I think that I intuit things a lot more than I as I've grown older I've said realize that I actually meditate on something and I've taken a lot more inputs and I'm bringing it inside of myself to solve a problem more than just looking outside at solutions.
[23:01] SPEAKER_00: So I think from that's why I said I think it's a balance myself.
[23:07] SPEAKER_00: So what book are you currently reading listening to whichever well right now I'm I got the sapiens for Christmas so I'm reading that.
[23:17] SPEAKER_00: Okay but I've often talked about this actually about I don't read a lot of business books I mean at least I this is my take on things I find it difficult to
[23:28] SPEAKER_00: do like I do I do I absolutely will read books about about tactics so that's that's very different read a book about like SEO or not a book but like whatever blog post or whatever I absolutely do.
[23:40] SPEAKER_00: But I'm a business management itself I actually think that a lot of the ways that we manage people are just weird to be honest and a lot of times like people will read these books and then talk about how to manage people but these books are not written about people there.
[23:57] SPEAKER_00: They're written about process and so anyway the point I'm trying to make is that I don't read a lot of business books because I don't find them relevant for the way I would like to build my company and I like to build my company treating everyone as equals and that's very hard to do when almost all management is about hierarchy.
[24:17] SPEAKER_00: So that's actually that's that's sort of why I I don't spend a lot of time on that stuff and but I into it a lot of how I want to build the company.
[24:25] SPEAKER_01: Okay let's get something completely different what's your most favorite place in the world apart from your new apartment in San Francisco.
[24:35] SPEAKER_00: My most favorite physical location you've traveled so you've got you know yeah I do I have traveled yeah I think I think I'd have to say Paris I mean it's a commercial answer if you will it's not Prague but but it's I had a
[24:55] SPEAKER_00: very we had to I spent a month there and I had a very it was a very like difficult time living that was not easy.
[25:03] SPEAKER_00: We were like you know in a four-story walk up that I take all our suitcases to we had to put up like we had we there was no anywhere to dry our clothes so we had to put up like things on the raft.
[25:13] SPEAKER_00: After we had to you know we had we were both in like in one like room for the entire month and there was no spaces like a studio apartment like tiny ass apartment but it was and we had no the water wasn't working properly so we had to go and get water every day.
[25:30] SPEAKER_00: It was like it was like almost like what I would imagine like village living is in the city you know but we love I loved every minute because that hardship was was so fun to endure you know with my partner.
[25:42] SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of why I think Paris is probably a top of that list.
[25:46] SPEAKER_01: So last but not least I don't know you you listen to let this thing where we do the tropical island thing so that's actually a nice one because everything is not tropical at the moment.
[25:58] SPEAKER_01: There's a small tropical island in the middle of the ocean there's only one form with a booth no internet.
[26:06] SPEAKER_01: We drop you off with no technology at all nothing okay at any time you can use the phone booth on the island to call about back to come and pick you up.
[26:17] SPEAKER_01: How long do you last before making the call and what would you do until then.
[26:26] SPEAKER_00: I think that I would spend it depends on how much food is there on that island but assuming that there's enough to keep me going for some time I would spend a little bit of time probably not very long I'm very social and I cannot live I cannot probably be alone for very long so probably no more than an hour.
[26:50] SPEAKER_00: Yeah I'm definitely not one like I'm the kind of person that then I went to resort once when I left the gates of the resort I felt like I was escaping prison so I feel like I would last for more than an hour and if I had to make the call I probably call my brother because I love making my problems his problems.
[27:13] SPEAKER_01: That's great thank you for the interview lots lots of fun lots of good comments in it and you know we've got quite quite a few thousand listeners if they need to get a hold of you how can they find you online.
[27:29] SPEAKER_00: So LinkedIn would probably be best Shradrow is how you'd find me on LinkedIn Twitter to if you'd like and honestly if you are looking for payroll or I mean this is again these are very difficult times I don't know how many people are looking to switch right now or even considering you know payroll because it's obviously about hiring and paying people but once things settle down if you want to check us out or wage find calm that would be where to find the whole group of really wonderful people that I have a sense of.
[27:58] SPEAKER_00: I'm looking forward to coming help you guys.
[28:00] SPEAKER_01: Thanks again and thanks everyone for listening.
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