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[00:00] SPEAKER_02: It's Calgary's podcast on the Canada's podcast network.
[00:16] SPEAKER_01: Hello, this is Bonnie LG coming to you today with Edmonton's podcast, a member of the Canada's
[00:23] SPEAKER_01: podcast network where we talk to the entrepreneurs who are making it happen here in the city of
[00:28] SPEAKER_01: Alberta.
[00:30] SPEAKER_02: Robert Price is one of the founders and the CEO of Bode, a new peer-to-peer real estate
[00:36] SPEAKER_02: platform that just launched in Alberta.
[00:39] SPEAKER_02: Previously, Robert was a senior executive at Alberta Telecom Disruptor Axia, which brought
[00:46] SPEAKER_02: high-performing low-cost, fiber infrastructure to customers in Alberta, the US, France, and
[00:52] SPEAKER_02: Singapore.
[00:52] SPEAKER_02: Robert thrives in leading high-performing teams to deliver amazing customer experiences
[00:59] SPEAKER_02: and meet critical revenue objectives.
[01:02] SPEAKER_02: With Bode, she's brought together an all-star team, including his father and sister that
[01:08] SPEAKER_02: is shaking up the real estate industry like never before.
[01:12] SPEAKER_02: So welcome to the show, Robert, and thanks for being here today.
[01:16] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
[01:16] SPEAKER_00: It's great to be here.
[01:17] SPEAKER_02: Tell us a little bit about yourself, how you became an entrepreneur and your journey to
[01:23] SPEAKER_02: where you are now with Bode.
[01:25] SPEAKER_00: I think it might be a little bit in my blood in terms of, as you mentioned, working with
[01:32] SPEAKER_00: family.
[01:33] SPEAKER_00: When I was younger, I actually went all the way back.
[01:36] SPEAKER_00: I started a landscaping business when I was 16, providing landscaping all the way to
[01:44] SPEAKER_00: for acreages in Springbank and in other communities, which allowed me to pay my bills through
[01:50] SPEAKER_00: university, build a little team during that.
[01:54] SPEAKER_00: Then I actually took a ownership in university, which was a new, I was timely to do myself
[02:01] SPEAKER_00: a little bit, but it was a new specialization from education perspective.
[02:05] SPEAKER_00: Then what I got into action, as you mentioned, was very entrepreneurial business.
[02:12] SPEAKER_00: So this unique model and platform that was, as you mentioned, disruptive in the industry.
[02:20] SPEAKER_00: But within it, I was able to start a number of new businesses within the company itself,
[02:24] SPEAKER_00: new business lines, take the company from an operating business to a consumer-focused enterprise
[02:31] SPEAKER_00: focus organization, of course, with the rest of the team.
[02:35] SPEAKER_00: That was a lot of fun.
[02:38] SPEAKER_00: Recently, the company was sold, and now I'm on to Bode.
[02:44] SPEAKER_02: That's a bit of an unusual name.
[02:46] SPEAKER_02: Why don't you tell us a little bit about Bode and what's it all about?
[02:50] SPEAKER_00: Bode came from a Bode, speaking to your home, in place where you're comfortable, you're
[03:00] SPEAKER_00: all the experiences that happen in your life, in your home, and friends and family with
[03:05] SPEAKER_00: Bise, and so it's like your humble abode, and very much thinking of the Canadian mentality,
[03:12] SPEAKER_00: which is very humble and friendly to begin with.
[03:15] SPEAKER_00: So we just saw that connection with how we do business, from a culture perspective,
[03:20] SPEAKER_00: and from how the market, how the Canadian consumer thinks.
[03:25] SPEAKER_02: And what services do you offer through the company?
[03:29] SPEAKER_00: So the company is a peer-to-peer platform.
[03:33] SPEAKER_00: First of its kind, peer-to-peer platform for real estate transactions.
[03:39] SPEAKER_00: So it's going all the way to the end of the spectrum of saying,
[03:44] SPEAKER_00: instead of requiring there will be a market that requires an agent or people that like that age experience,
[03:51] SPEAKER_00: but we believe there's a whole different segment that would influence the power with the tools,
[03:56] SPEAKER_00: with the data, and with a really thoughtful experience from a technology perspective,
[04:04] SPEAKER_00: making the power to do themselves, and people, we have this fundamental belief that Canadians are smart,
[04:12] SPEAKER_00: people are smart, especially the people buying homes.
[04:15] SPEAKER_00: So if you arm them with the critical tools and the data that they need to do successfully,
[04:21] SPEAKER_00: they can save time and ultimately save money.
[04:25] SPEAKER_00: At the end of the process, if you're able to sell your home,
[04:28] SPEAKER_00: you are charged 1% fee, which is 75% less in the typical average.
[04:34] SPEAKER_00: And so it's really starting with a transformational experience,
[04:38] SPEAKER_00: and then ending with substantial savings at the end.
[04:43] SPEAKER_02: Calgary is known for its entrepreneurial spirit,
[04:47] SPEAKER_02: and that's something the city is proud of.
[04:49] SPEAKER_02: What do you think are some of the benefits of being an entrepreneur here,
[04:53] SPEAKER_02: and starting a business in Calgary?
[04:56] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're from, it's a great place to do business.
[04:59] SPEAKER_00: I, other than going to university in California for four years,
[05:03] SPEAKER_00: I've spent my whole life here, my family, multiple generations before, have been here.
[05:09] SPEAKER_00: So these are our roots, and I find Calgary is a city very much.
[05:14] SPEAKER_00: It is a small town within a big city.
[05:17] SPEAKER_00: It's growing fast, but it still feels small to me.
[05:20] SPEAKER_00: In terms of six degrees of separation, the energy around it, no pun intended,
[05:25] SPEAKER_00: in terms of the people that are excited to do different things
[05:30] SPEAKER_00: and provide economic diversification, provide new ideas.
[05:34] SPEAKER_00: I think there's a welcomeness to it.
[05:36] SPEAKER_00: You also have events like the Calgary Stampede,
[05:39] SPEAKER_00: where for 10 days, you know, we're all buying into a single event.
[05:43] SPEAKER_00: I think that's truly unique in terms of my international friend,
[05:47] SPEAKER_00: is that I have experienced it.
[05:50] SPEAKER_00: So I really like, I'm saying on top of that, having done some business in the United States,
[05:55] SPEAKER_00: in Europe, in Asia, we have a very friendly culture here.
[06:00] SPEAKER_00: Business culture is very much more as competitive and hard-working.
[06:04] SPEAKER_00: It is a high respect, high integrity business culture,
[06:10] SPEAKER_00: which makes it a lot of fun.
[06:12] SPEAKER_00: It makes it a lot of fun to still compete,
[06:14] SPEAKER_00: but you're doing it in a really high integrity way.
[06:19] SPEAKER_02: Right.
[06:20] SPEAKER_02: And what would be some of the challenges that you see in this year?
[06:25] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say, well, our specific business, we're in software.
[06:30] SPEAKER_00: So the brilliant thing about software and the exciting thing about it is you can do anything,
[06:36] SPEAKER_00: but that's also its biggest challenge.
[06:37] SPEAKER_00: So in our particular case, in both, we have a, we've all started team.
[06:43] SPEAKER_00: People that really know their stuff and have tons of great ideas,
[06:48] SPEAKER_00: but you have to find the way to shape that, that basic,
[06:53] SPEAKER_00: we don't have the problem of too many, or problems that we can't solve.
[06:58] SPEAKER_00: We have the other problem, which we can solve all the problems,
[07:01] SPEAKER_00: and then how do you actually organize a roadmap and an execution to be successful?
[07:05] SPEAKER_00: So in the Calgary context, it's all about, and in any context,
[07:11] SPEAKER_00: always about finding the best people, especially if you're starting a business people that you trust,
[07:16] SPEAKER_00: where they can work with in the past, and look at how that is company,
[07:21] SPEAKER_00: so that you're already past that point.
[07:24] SPEAKER_00: You don't have to learn how to work together, you don't have to learn how each person thinks,
[07:29] SPEAKER_00: and then you want to start from a leadership perspective,
[07:32] SPEAKER_00: and notice a new topic you've already been through some battles together,
[07:35] SPEAKER_00: so you can really start with the ground, or start running, I should say.
[07:41] SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm interested for your response to this next question,
[07:45] SPEAKER_02: because you're born and raised Calgaryen, so what are a couple of different spots to go?
[07:50] SPEAKER_02: If you just need to recharge or get creative, do you have a few spots locally
[07:56] SPEAKER_02: that are kind of special to you that way?
[07:59] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love the trail run at Edroy Lee, which I enjoy both making my heart rate go
[08:07] SPEAKER_00: about 300 beats per minute, I think at the top of that hill,
[08:11] SPEAKER_00: but also getting the view and getting the fresh air.
[08:14] SPEAKER_00: I find my best thinking when I'm walking or running or getting outside of my
[08:19] SPEAKER_00: dis-exact chair that I'm in right now, and makes your brain calibrate in a different way,
[08:26] SPEAKER_00: and allows you to broaden your horizons.
[08:28] SPEAKER_00: On the other side, my girlfriend is a huge piece, so we have loved how the Calgary
[08:37] SPEAKER_00: restaurant scene has exploded in the last 10 years, and having traveled over the world,
[08:43] SPEAKER_00: and been to some of these global cities, and lucky enough to have some five star restaurant experiences,
[08:48] SPEAKER_00: and we love what's happened in our city, from that perspective, actually last night.
[08:52] SPEAKER_00: We were at 10 foot Henry, which is our favorite place to go, and we order similar things every time.
[08:58] SPEAKER_00: It was fantastic, and it's one of our favorite pastimes for sure.
[09:03] SPEAKER_02: Robert, what are you most excited about these days with your business?
[09:07] SPEAKER_00: We're very excited about, and this goes a little bit back to my personal history of
[09:12] SPEAKER_00: thinking differently and doing things differently.
[09:15] SPEAKER_00: In the real estate sector, similar to the telecom sector, where there's more or less
[09:24] SPEAKER_00: a traditional market controls the market, there's a number of established players that have been in the market for many decades,
[09:32] SPEAKER_00: and regulations that suit those guys.
[09:35] SPEAKER_00: We're very excited about how do we create an option, a new way of thinking,
[09:41] SPEAKER_00: for a signal in the market that currently doesn't have this option.
[09:47] SPEAKER_00: In the rest of the legs they have it, and they have it in, you know,
[09:50] SPEAKER_00: Arabie Abies, an example where the analogy would be the whole hotel crowd,
[09:56] SPEAKER_00: there's lots of options out there.
[09:58] SPEAKER_00: At the end of the day, a lot of them are certainly similar, and that Arabie Abies came along and said,
[10:03] SPEAKER_00: why aren't you, why not rent out your own house?
[10:06] SPEAKER_00: I'd sound like a pretty crazy idea, but 150 million users later, it wasn't so crazy.
[10:13] SPEAKER_00: So we're very much in that same philosophy of providing a new option,
[10:19] SPEAKER_00: a new way of thinking, or ever related to real estate, but that is something that is truly familiar in the rest of your life,
[10:27] SPEAKER_00: for a particular segment, and we believe a meaningful segment of the market.
[10:32] SPEAKER_02: So what is your vision for the business long term? Where do you hope that will go?
[10:38] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're starting, we lost a couple of weeks ago, so we're out of the press in Calgary and Edmonton,
[10:46] SPEAKER_00: specifically, we're able to list anywhere in Alberta.
[10:50] SPEAKER_00: We really want to work with our co-creators, our army and beta testers,
[10:54] SPEAKER_00: to get through the, to get the kinks worked out in our platform.
[11:00] SPEAKER_00: We dealt with a lot of them already, but it's always not underway in process of improvement, of refinement.
[11:05] SPEAKER_00: And when you're sure we cost you a centric, that's a complex thing,
[11:09] SPEAKER_00: but it's worth it for soon because at the end of the day, that's the cost of our satisfaction,
[11:14] SPEAKER_00: is what drives everything.
[11:16] SPEAKER_00: So Alberta first, and then the next step is expanding across Canada,
[11:21] SPEAKER_00: because we see the same issue, the same dark market dynamic as everywhere in Canada.
[11:28] SPEAKER_00: Commission rates vary slightly, but fundamentally between 3, 4, 5%.
[11:33] SPEAKER_00: So the cost savings story is there, and the experiential differential differentiation is there.
[11:41] SPEAKER_00: And then ultimately, we'd love to go south and work from here.
[11:45] SPEAKER_00: We wouldn't do the US all at once.
[11:48] SPEAKER_00: It's a big country, a big market, but we would look at states and regions,
[11:52] SPEAKER_00: and make sense upon success in Canada, we really want to start here as Canadians,
[11:58] SPEAKER_00: and bring this value to our home first.
[12:01] SPEAKER_02: When you reflect on your entrepreneurial journey so far,
[12:06] SPEAKER_02: are there any key lessons or challenges that really stand out to you
[12:11] SPEAKER_02: that you think would benefit our listeners and maybe just learning from something challenging you went through,
[12:17] SPEAKER_02: or one of your mistakes?
[12:20] SPEAKER_00: You're so many.
[12:22] SPEAKER_00: I would say, and I started this way learning from previous board capacities and advisory rules that I've had,
[12:33] SPEAKER_00: it's easy to think when you started business, that you can kind of do it yourself,
[12:39] SPEAKER_00: you have this idea, you can take it and run with it for a little while,
[12:44] SPEAKER_00: and then eventually break the team on, or some people as you go.
[12:48] SPEAKER_00: I'm a big advocate of starting first, investing yourself.
[12:53] SPEAKER_00: So put your own money into it, not just your time, your actual money.
[12:58] SPEAKER_00: That is a totally different equation than if you were just saying,
[13:01] SPEAKER_00: I've got this idea, now I want to go out to the market and ask for their money,
[13:06] SPEAKER_00: and you bankroll me to my success.
[13:08] SPEAKER_00: So start with your own investment and start right on the gates with a team.
[13:13] SPEAKER_00: Think of who are the best people that complement your weaknesses.
[13:18] SPEAKER_00: Because everybody has them, you have your strengths, we also have the other side of that coin.
[13:23] SPEAKER_00: So who is going to fulfill your strengths?
[13:27] SPEAKER_00: Nobody individually is perfect, but if you hide all those pieces together,
[13:31] SPEAKER_00: you can really create a perfect team.
[13:33] SPEAKER_00: So do that group, don't wait a year, don't wait six months, a year, 18 months,
[13:39] SPEAKER_00: you are right out of the gates so that everybody can own in the business,
[13:43] SPEAKER_00: be excited about it, have their center of the line, and we'll chase after it all the way from start.
[13:50] SPEAKER_00: And so again, I mentioned earlier, when you're picking those people,
[13:53] SPEAKER_00: you should start with people you trust.
[13:55] SPEAKER_00: And you work ideally for them before, or you trust them because you know them very well.
[14:01] SPEAKER_00: That will, that will just make you way more efficient on the gates and not spend a bunch of time
[14:08] SPEAKER_00: trying to figure out how people can just work together and work each of those gates in the pit.
[14:14] SPEAKER_00: So that was more than one, but those are some ideas that I am.
[14:18] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's great advice.
[14:20] SPEAKER_02: And building on that, just one more question.
[14:23] SPEAKER_02: What was the greatest piece of advice you've ever gotten?
[14:27] SPEAKER_00: Oh, man, that is a good question.
[14:31] SPEAKER_00: I would say, well, it's kind of a quote that I love, which is the only two things you can control are attitude and effort.
[14:40] SPEAKER_00: So you can be the most talented person in the world, but until, but unless you have both agree attitude and maximize your effort,
[14:49] SPEAKER_00: you'll never accomplish what you want to accomplish.
[14:51] SPEAKER_00: And at the end of the day, it goes the only two things you can truly control.
[14:55] SPEAKER_00: So don't spend your time worried about anything other than those two things and how you can apply them every day with consistency as a leader of a company,
[15:04] SPEAKER_00: or one of the leaders of a company, because that's also contagious and not drives a really fun, really high integrity culture.
[15:14] SPEAKER_02: All right, the next group of questions help us just to get to know you a little bit more.
[15:19] SPEAKER_02: So I'm curious, if you were doing what you do right now from work, what do you think you'd be up to? What would be another career option for you?
[15:28] SPEAKER_00: Definitely a pro tennis player.
[15:30] SPEAKER_00: I play a competitive tennis all the way through two division one tennis in the United States.
[15:36] SPEAKER_00: I was never actually good enough to go pro, not not actually very close to that, but a sport that I love and one that I would love to be playing for living right now.
[15:47] SPEAKER_00: But more seriously, I would probably say many people have told me psychologists would be interested in a career for me.
[15:54] SPEAKER_00: I think that's one that would be a different and interesting challenge given I really am fascinated by people.
[16:04] SPEAKER_00: I really like to understand how people think what makes them tick and how I can even in my current capacity in this company really understand them.
[16:15] SPEAKER_00: And it kind of comes back to my leadership, approach, which is you treat everybody with the same level of respect, but not the same.
[16:26] SPEAKER_00: So you have different people have different people have different ways that they are motivated.
[16:32] SPEAKER_00: Some people need much more structure, other people need less structure.
[16:38] SPEAKER_00: So you got to find those ways to help people and get people totally on their best performance wavelength.
[16:48] SPEAKER_00: So whether that would make me a good psychologist or not, I don't know, but those are some ideas that I miss.
[16:56] SPEAKER_02: And what are you reading right now? Do you have a good book in the works or would you recommend to our listeners?
[17:01] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I read because I read 10 to 12 hours a day for work, I'm actually a bigger fan of podcasts exactly what I'm doing right now. So this is a lot of fun.
[17:13] SPEAKER_00: I, one of my favorite podcasts is the San Marius Weakendop podcast.
[17:20] SPEAKER_00: So I really get, I'm fascinated by people as I mentioned and seeing a dialogue happen.
[17:25] SPEAKER_00: In that case, he does talk about business, he does talk about politics anywhere from racism to decision making to how your brain works.
[17:36] SPEAKER_00: So one of my favorites, I'm certainly, certainly engaged in terms of how Elon Musk thinks and his approach to business.
[17:45] SPEAKER_00: Steve Jobs, when he was running Apple, of course, and just studying the best, the best and most successful business minds, another interesting thing.
[17:56] SPEAKER_00: But I really gain inspiration when I get outside of business and into other successful professions and people in different domains because it gives you a more rounded perspective than my opinion.
[18:07] SPEAKER_02: You mentioned that something you like to listen to in the mornings, what are some of the other non-negotiables that you have in either your morning or evening routine?
[18:19] SPEAKER_00: I'm an early riser, so I think I'm probably the last guy in Alberta that doesn't drink coffee, but I wake up at six in the morning and I'm either want to work out right away or get right to work because that's my greatest as an absolute best.
[18:36] SPEAKER_00: I probably enjoy people around me at those hours because they haven't had their coffee yet, we're just getting going.
[18:43] SPEAKER_00: But that's not to me, you've got to find where your bio rhythms or your natural energy comes from.
[18:53] SPEAKER_00: Conversely, I'm not as free at night time, like anytime after dinner.
[18:57] SPEAKER_00: I'm still functional, but I'm half as high performing as in the morning, so I think my advice in the topic would be to really understand how you, where you peak in the day and how you get the most amount of work done and make sure that your day encompasses that dynamics about you.
[19:18] SPEAKER_02: And what's one word you would use to describe yourself?
[19:21] SPEAKER_00: That is a good question. I've done emotional EQ testing, which I recommend to anybody. So it tells you your emotional score.
[19:33] SPEAKER_00: So in my case, and it was a training that we did as a leadership team in the last company, and it tells you your emotional strengths and your emotional disposition.
[19:44] SPEAKER_00: So for me, I was under indexed on fear, I was under indexed on shame, I was under indexed on anxiety, and I wail over indexed on love and joy and compassion.
[19:58] SPEAKER_00: So for whatever that's worth, I think that's an interesting thing to understand because you can actually evolve the way that you are wired over time.
[20:10] SPEAKER_00: So weaknesses now become strengths, and I thought it was an interesting process because it basically breaks down how you are, what would be your natural disposition and how that relates to your role, because each role has different, obviously different requirements from that standpoint.
[20:29] SPEAKER_00: So that's my official scientific answer for you.
[20:33] SPEAKER_02: Well, and you know you hear about companies that do those tests, and it also helps a lot with your team building and the performance of your management team because you get to understand each other's uniqueness, right?
[20:46] SPEAKER_00: Exactly. And you actually want, you want a healthy mix, because that will strengthen. So in my case, I'm the bold guy, I'm a patient, I want to break through barriers that have been most added industry and fight for the customers.
[21:00] SPEAKER_00: And then you have one other people in the team, say, okay, let's slow down. Let me think about this more, what about this question, what about what about the complexities of doing that, making things simple and pushing things forward towards the vision, and they're saying, what about the gotchas, what are the gotchas that really rounds out and strengthens any strategy.
[21:22] SPEAKER_00: So you want to compliment, you want to first understand who you are, to not extreme or to not understanding, and then find people that can really compliment that strength or that weakness, as I mentioned before.
[21:36] SPEAKER_02: Well, my last personal question for you is, what is your favorite place in the world and why?
[21:43] SPEAKER_00: Favorite place in the world. That I would say, I really like cabbage and Lucas. We've been going there for many years. I just spectacular.
[21:55] SPEAKER_00: Whether I don't think it ever is never above 35 and it's never below, seemingly ever below 25, just incredible temperatures, surfing, world's highest goal.
[22:08] SPEAKER_00: I'm a huge Mexican, Mexican fan. So the world's best guacamole in these my standards and lots of different ways to go there, whether it's with family or couples, trade-ups or friendships.
[22:21] SPEAKER_00: I just really love, love traveling and countless different ones my favorites.
[22:27] SPEAKER_02: My final question for you today, it's often hard for entrepreneurs to disconnect. And so we ask a hypothetical question to all of our guests just to see what their response is.
[22:39] SPEAKER_02: So I'd like to imagine there's a small beautiful tropical island in the middle of the ocean. It has a phone booth but no internet.
[22:49] SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of survivor style, which I mean you would have all the necessities you need, but we would drop you off there. And I'm just curious how long would you last and what would you do before you'd call the boat to come pick you up?
[23:06] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can call the boat at any time and they'll come get it.
[23:10] SPEAKER_02: Yes, you can.
[23:11] SPEAKER_00: Okay, I would probably last 24 hours, not because of disconnection from technology, but from disconnection from people.
[23:21] SPEAKER_00: You know, that's what it always down to for me at the end of the day is people and your relationships with family and friends and that's a life's all about it.
[23:31] SPEAKER_00: So if I didn't have them close by and then I'm kind of just I would probably turn very quickly to Tom Hanks from from a movie where he starts talking to volleyball because he doesn't have any other people around.
[23:46] SPEAKER_00: Yes.
[23:46] SPEAKER_00: So I'm quite independent, conversely, but I'm very much be excited to connect with people again.
[23:55] SPEAKER_02: Well, Robert, it's been so nice to have you on the show and I like to leave our listeners with the best way to get a hold of you.
[24:03] SPEAKER_02: Where can they find you online if they want to learn more about you or about your company?
[24:08] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we have Ron Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn so you can hit me up directly on LinkedIn if you have any questions from an entrepreneurship standpoint or any standpoint related to anything.
[24:20] SPEAKER_00: I'm hoping I will respond or a company of a Facebook page, but we got Canada, same thing with Instagram, we got Canada.
[24:31] SPEAKER_00: So the team is on that and I'm on it as well as it relates to anything that comes in.
[24:38] SPEAKER_00: So yeah, we run all the key social platforms.
[24:42] SPEAKER_02: Is there anything else that you would like to add before we say goodbye today?
[24:47] SPEAKER_00: Oh, no, I think that's been a fun conversation and hopefully it would write some insight that people can get some value from and happy to continue the conversation.
[24:58] SPEAKER_00: It's been great.
[24:59] SPEAKER_02: Yeah, thank you so much, Robert, for being on the show and I really enjoy chatting with you and getting to know a little bit more about your entrepreneurial journey and doing business and Calgary and just the experiences you've had.
[25:11] SPEAKER_02: So thank you.
[25:12] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
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