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[00:00] SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Countess Podcast.
[00:05] SPEAKER_01: Hi everyone, today I'm with Nancy Keweck, who's the founder of Lil Yogi.
[00:10] SPEAKER_01: So Nancy, thanks for being with us today.
[00:12] SPEAKER_01: I know you're in a crunchy time in your life right now.
[00:16] SPEAKER_01: So thanks for taking the time to be with us on the show.
[00:19] SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for having me.
[00:21] SPEAKER_01: Great Nancy.
[00:22] SPEAKER_01: So you founded your business five years ago.
[00:26] SPEAKER_01: Tell us, you know, tell us what led you to create the Lil Yogi.
[00:31] SPEAKER_00: Well, I have to say it wasn't in my plan at all.
[00:35] SPEAKER_00: I was studying to become a researcher and a therapist.
[00:41] SPEAKER_00: I actually did like years of higher education and special care counseling,
[00:48] SPEAKER_00: sexology, different type of society violence, violence to women,
[00:55] SPEAKER_00: child therapy.
[00:57] SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't on my late plan to build a company.
[01:04] SPEAKER_00: I really wanted to help children, help family.
[01:09] SPEAKER_00: I wanted to change the world basically.
[01:11] SPEAKER_00: That was really one of my golden.
[01:13] SPEAKER_00: I had really big interests in psychology and the human understand all the relationships.
[01:22] SPEAKER_00: So that was really what was passionate.
[01:26] SPEAKER_00: Passionately.
[01:27] Speaker UNKNOWN:
[01:28] SPEAKER_00: So when my friends and my family started to have kids,
[01:34] SPEAKER_00: I got interested for the first time in my life in kids coding.
[01:39] SPEAKER_00: I wanted to buy stuff.
[01:40] SPEAKER_00: I wanted to buy gifts.
[01:42] SPEAKER_00: So I went shopping for the first time for kids.
[01:46] SPEAKER_00: And that's when I realized how fashion was stereotyped.
[01:52] SPEAKER_00: I already knew that.
[01:54] SPEAKER_00: Everybody knows it.
[01:56] SPEAKER_00: But when it's for an adult, when you think about it,
[02:00] SPEAKER_00: you're like, I can make my own choices.
[02:02] SPEAKER_00: But when you go into a kids door and you realize that you're like,
[02:05] SPEAKER_00: oh, my gosh, like on one side, everything's blue on the other.
[02:09] SPEAKER_00: Everything's pink.
[02:09] SPEAKER_00: And the messages are so different from a girl,
[02:14] SPEAKER_00: then a boy, like the boys, the boys are all courageous and strong.
[02:19] SPEAKER_00: And the girls are acute and they're shining and they have sparkles.
[02:25] SPEAKER_00: And I was like, what kind of message do we send to the kids?
[02:30] SPEAKER_00: What are we telling them when we dress them?
[02:34] SPEAKER_00: This.
[02:34] SPEAKER_00: I think there's a bigger conversation behind clothes.
[02:39] SPEAKER_00: So I didn't bought anything for my friends and for my family.
[02:43] SPEAKER_00: And I started to look online.
[02:44] SPEAKER_00: What can I find overseas?
[02:47] SPEAKER_00: What's going on in kids fashion all over the world?
[02:51] SPEAKER_00: And my mom's a soul or so.
[02:56] SPEAKER_00: Basically, I grew up with her sewing everything.
[02:58] SPEAKER_00: And I bought some fabrics that I found out were none that had most
[03:07] SPEAKER_00: stereotypes on it.
[03:08] SPEAKER_00: So it was more unisex.
[03:11] SPEAKER_00: It was for both genders.
[03:14] SPEAKER_00: And I bought the fabrics.
[03:17] SPEAKER_00: I went home to my mom and I said, OK, so we have a baby shower coming.
[03:22] SPEAKER_00: I'd like to do something special for my friends.
[03:25] SPEAKER_00: Let's build a growing fence.
[03:28] SPEAKER_00: I've seen this in Europe.
[03:30] SPEAKER_00: I want to see if can we do something for them?
[03:33] SPEAKER_00: And it all started there.
[03:35] SPEAKER_00: So one Sunday, we, I draw what I wanted and I tell my mom, can we do this?
[03:41] SPEAKER_00: So we saw it.
[03:42] SPEAKER_00: I went to the baby showers and I was like, this is it all exclusive.
[03:48] SPEAKER_00: This is a bell themed exclusive.
[03:51] SPEAKER_00: And I made them little clothes and people were just amazed.
[03:56] SPEAKER_00: So they were like, oh, my gosh, did you meet that?
[03:59] SPEAKER_00: It's so beautiful.
[04:00] SPEAKER_00: Can I have some and everything?
[04:02] SPEAKER_00: And my boyfriend's kind of the geek online and he was like, you should put it on Facebook just to see what what's going on.
[04:09] SPEAKER_00: Like, so.
[04:13] SPEAKER_00: I've put my first little yogi pens online right after the baby showers.
[04:19] SPEAKER_00: And the week after I had hundreds of orders.
[04:25] SPEAKER_00: So I didn't have, I didn't have any fabrics.
[04:28] SPEAKER_00: I didn't have any like business model.
[04:31] SPEAKER_00: It was really like I, I saw that there was a problem there.
[04:35] SPEAKER_00: I wanted to do something special for my friends, for my family.
[04:39] SPEAKER_00: And then just the world respond to, to, to what I have made.
[04:44] SPEAKER_00: So six months after that, I quit my job, my studies, everything.
[04:52] SPEAKER_00: And I started doing little yogi full time in five years now.
[04:56] SPEAKER_01: Wow. Well, that's, that's a great story.
[04:58] SPEAKER_01: And it seems like you had, you know, like you sign need and then you had the right element with your mom being in the industry.
[05:05] SPEAKER_01: So and, and then the people, people responded.
[05:08] SPEAKER_01: So what does that look like for you right now?
[05:10] SPEAKER_01: You know, like five years later, is your mom still in the company?
[05:13] SPEAKER_01: How was that right? You know, like building a business with your boyfriend, with your mom, you know, people helping you out around you?
[05:24] SPEAKER_00: I won't say that it was an easy ride.
[05:29] SPEAKER_00: Well, we faced so many challenges like, when I, when I think about those five years, I'm so amazed at what we accomplished is we had no idea what was coming in.
[05:53] SPEAKER_00: And if you want to expand your money as well, so those are all the challenges that I wasn't ready to, to face at that moment.
[06:02] SPEAKER_00: But we really did it, you know, like step by step and I, I, I went nothing on doors to, to get help free help.
[06:12] SPEAKER_00: Like the fact that you need money to build a business, it's, it's not real.
[06:20] SPEAKER_00: Like you can get help. There's a lot of community service. There's a lot of people at the government everywhere that can really help you build your business.
[06:30] SPEAKER_00: So I went at my, it's called a sound local.
[06:34] SPEAKER_00: I don't know, like the perfect word in English. It's really to help small entrepreneurs to build their business. So we made the business plan.
[06:45] SPEAKER_00: And when we started like to make a financial provision.
[06:50] SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm forecasting forecasting and I started to build a plan and it's sure that everything I did with my studies, like I mean, I was doing a master.
[07:02] SPEAKER_00: So I had a certain like structure and I'm well organized. I like to plan things ahead.
[07:09] SPEAKER_00: And so all those skills that I acquire doing my studies really helped me like putting a structure into my business and making grow and growing growing.
[07:21] SPEAKER_00: Of course, I like learning. So I was always online, always looking for articles or way to help.
[07:28] SPEAKER_00: I was checking my favorite brand. What are they doing? How do they do it?
[07:35] SPEAKER_00: Also what really helped it's that my, what I was doing with my life was communicating with people.
[07:45] SPEAKER_00: It was the way I was, I was doing my whole life like an therapy or when I was working at the youth center.
[07:55] SPEAKER_00: It's always about relationships. So I really take that experience and I took it with me to build a little youth yourself.
[08:05] SPEAKER_00: Our online community is really, really strong. And I think it's because I had those skills to communicate to really.
[08:28] Speaker UNKNOWN: And yeah, I know there's really a shooting and I think every company really helps.
[08:37] Speaker UNKNOWN: So it turned, it's functionally really good and sports.
[08:40] Speaker UNKNOWN:
[08:40] Speaker UNKNOWN: And so I'm a later sometimes, as I most of the global company, I'm also the special director, because there are so many Rita'sowski folks that everyone actually improvises and appropriate on ourσ
[08:42] SPEAKER_00: right now, but I think we started from nothing with no experience. We had no plan of building a
[08:50] SPEAKER_00: business, but all the experience we had with humans, with all the structure I built with my
[09:00] SPEAKER_00: studies and my work really helped me like put little UD all together and about my boyfriend,
[09:07] SPEAKER_00: he really helped me with website and everything, but he never got engaged into like the business
[09:14] SPEAKER_00: itself. And my mom's still working with us. She was supposed to retire at last March, but with the
[09:22] SPEAKER_00: coverage, she was like, I don't want to go home and just do nothing and be alone, you know, so we were
[09:30] SPEAKER_00: like, oh, we're so glad you're staying. She's at the beginning, she was sewing almost everything
[09:38] SPEAKER_00: and she was making like the design, she was helping me with everything, but now she's really
[09:45] SPEAKER_00: more, she's coaching the the sores we're working with. When she sees something that's not working
[09:54] SPEAKER_00: on the Patron, obviously Patron, I have a, I think it's like the model for the pants, right?
[10:02] SPEAKER_00: Or for the, the pants, the model. She can see it, so she's really experimented, so she
[10:08] SPEAKER_00: helped us with design and yeah, so I think she's going to be with us maybe for a few months, maybe
[10:17] SPEAKER_00: a year, but we're really glad it's, it's not easy working with your mom because you're, you have
[10:24] SPEAKER_00: to deal with two even three kind of relationships is I'm a mom of two, she's the, the, their grandmother
[10:31] SPEAKER_00: as well, so there's like three kinds of relationships to protect because you know, you know, you don't,
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: you don't want to mess up your relationship with your mom and my kids relationship and you want to
[10:44] SPEAKER_00: have a fun relationship at work too, so it was really, it was challenging as well because I was
[10:51] SPEAKER_00: no more in the role of the little girl with her mom, I was her heatball in the business even
[10:59] SPEAKER_00: her boss, so sometimes it's, it's still challenging when we need to talk about
[11:08] SPEAKER_00: difficult things or some things we don't agree on, but we try to, what to apply the, the rule that
[11:17] SPEAKER_00: what's going on on the job stays on the job and then we have our relationship at home,
[11:24] SPEAKER_00: well we don't have a lot of relationship right now, but we had to come and we don't see,
[11:30] SPEAKER_00: we don't see each other a lot, but we really tried to separate things, so everything worked,
[11:36] SPEAKER_00: but thanks God she was, she wasn't a business, the quality we have wouldn't be the same
[11:44] SPEAKER_01: if she wasn't behind everything we do. That's, that's a really great story with your mom and
[11:49] SPEAKER_01: and I think a point that I'd like to touch on in this interview is since you're an expert with
[11:54] SPEAKER_01: you know, gender equality, like sexuality and you helped a lot of people, what do you see,
[12:01] SPEAKER_01: like what do you see, the impact is of your work on like have you, because after five years,
[12:07] SPEAKER_01: I assume that you've seen the children grow up with your clothes, so do you see a difference,
[12:12] SPEAKER_01: like, or maybe what's your vision that what's what's division that you have for the impact you
[12:16] SPEAKER_01: want to have with your business and and that you know, you talk about the change in conversation,
[12:20] SPEAKER_01: like what is it that people can do to change the conversation according to you as an expert in that
[12:26] SPEAKER_00: field? Well, my first goal was just to have this conversation with people and to put it out there
[12:35] SPEAKER_00: and to people just to start not thinking about all all these things and I was surprised to see that
[12:44] SPEAKER_00: people are not comfortable with those messages like some are, but most of them are not and
[12:52] SPEAKER_00: they're glad that we arrived on the market and said that's over. We want to say that
[12:59] SPEAKER_00: you can wear whatever you want to wear and become, whoever you want to become,
[13:06] SPEAKER_00: with no regards to colors and what kind of sports or whatever you're you're doing and people
[13:13] SPEAKER_00: were so open and even my vision grew during those five years because we started as, okay,
[13:20] SPEAKER_00: it's umi sex, it's for boys, it's for girls, but now I'm standing in a position that
[13:28] SPEAKER_00: for me, what just any kind of quote can be for a girl or can be for a boy, I, we say we're gender
[13:35] SPEAKER_00: neutral, but I would like to find a better term to define us because we launched dresses
[13:43] SPEAKER_00: last season and for me, that new product was not just for girls and that's how we put it out there.
[13:55] SPEAKER_00: We're like those are dresses, they are dresses for whoever want to put dresses on and we should,
[14:04] SPEAKER_00: should, as a doll, have a reflection about why we feel uncomfortable seeing a little boy or seeing
[14:15] SPEAKER_00: a guy wearing a dress, that's, that's this San Jose partying, this is to us like as adults and we
[14:26] SPEAKER_00: are giving all those insecurities and those in comfort thoughts and feelings to our kids and I think
[14:34] SPEAKER_00: it's really innovative and I was afraid of of putting that top I like in my community because you know,
[14:43] SPEAKER_00: it's not everyone that thinks, yeah, all there, you know, it's your butt on the line, you know.
[14:50] SPEAKER_00: Exactly, exactly, but I received so many love messages and people are like, maybe I'm not there yet,
[14:58] SPEAKER_00: but I do understand what you're trying to say and I agree, I won't put my son on the line, I won't
[15:06] SPEAKER_00: dress him with a dress for now, but I do get what you're saying and just that for me, it's a big
[15:14] SPEAKER_00: change in the community essentially because even when I was doing my studies in sexology, I wasn't
[15:20] SPEAKER_00: there yet neither, so I think it's really interesting to start, well to start saying that it's
[15:31] SPEAKER_00: unisex because everything should be unisex and we should be able to shop in one place and not on
[15:38] SPEAKER_00: one side and none on the other side and like we should tell our kids that they can do whatever they
[15:46] SPEAKER_00: want to do like well, you know what I mean, I dress up that way they want to do.
[15:51] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, as you said it, you know, it starts with it, it starts with the adult, so right now Lil Yogi is
[15:57] SPEAKER_01: a business for for clothing for children, but do you have, do you have in mind a way to actually
[16:03] SPEAKER_01: create some clothing for adults so that not to have it like you know be exactly wearing the same
[16:08] SPEAKER_01: thing than your children, but you know bringing that message to adult because as you said even for us,
[16:14] SPEAKER_01: it's still the same thing one side woman, one side man and then you know we're still living in that
[16:19] SPEAKER_00: stigma. We're living in that stigma and everything's confused about sizes, like we try to sell you
[16:28] SPEAKER_00: something like you should wear your small, your medium, your large, that's not even real, you should
[16:34] SPEAKER_00: shop by what makes you feel good, like do you like it, like lose your, do you like it bigger, how
[16:40] SPEAKER_00: do you feel in your clothes, that's the way you should shop, you shouldn't, you shouldn't have to
[16:45] SPEAKER_00: shop by sizes except for certain products, but yeah, we have lunches, lunched a couple of adults
[16:52] SPEAKER_00: product in the last years, just to see what people like were thinking and everything and we really
[17:00] SPEAKER_00: really had a good like response to that, so yes we're actually working on another like little
[17:08] SPEAKER_00: brand that will be I'd say the big sister for a little Yogi. Oh that's wonderful. Yeah we will
[17:17] SPEAKER_00: announce it to soon on our page, but it's going to be launching soon. I wish just before I
[17:24] SPEAKER_00: give birth because I'm pregnant with my third and I'm going to give birth next month, so there's a lot
[17:31] SPEAKER_01: of thing on the line right now. And what does that, you know, what does that look like, like for you
[17:38] SPEAKER_01: the last month before you give birth, like what are your plans or like how are you setting up things
[17:44] SPEAKER_01: in place so that you can have a little rest with your baby when the baby comes. I have to say that
[17:49] SPEAKER_00: it's going to be the first time that I will have a little bit of a maternity leave with this baby.
[17:57] SPEAKER_00: When I started the company I had no kids and in three years I had briefs, so the first
[18:05] SPEAKER_00: with my first Sydney I worked while I was in the hospital, I was doing a social media and I was talking
[18:14] SPEAKER_00: with clients even at the hospital. With June my second one I had my first employee Valerie which is
[18:21] SPEAKER_00: still working with us now, so she helped me a little but I never left the business, but now I'm
[18:28] SPEAKER_00: going to take I wish one or two weeks before I give birth and a couple of weeks after it's
[18:36] SPEAKER_00: sure I'm going to stay in a little but I'm going to go home and enjoy my last baby. I really put a
[18:44] SPEAKER_00: lot of effort in the last year, like COVID really engaged me in a new reflection about this
[18:52] SPEAKER_00: structure of the company. How can we be more independent? How can we have like logistic and structures
[19:02] SPEAKER_00: that will help the business run a little bit more by itself? That needs less of me, less of everyone?
[19:11] SPEAKER_00: So we really put effort in the structure and the logistics and it's really helping for
[19:21] SPEAKER_01: you and me. I'll break them going to take. Yeah, yeah, well a lot of businesses did that in the
[19:29] SPEAKER_01: last year, right? How can we think differently about our business? So I can see that you did that too
[19:35] SPEAKER_01: because COVID but also in preparation for what you're what's up for you, Ne? Yeah, because we had
[19:41] SPEAKER_00: trouble getting access to fabric, workshop workfalls, so it really was a big time of insecurities
[19:53] SPEAKER_00: and we had to have that conversation about, okay, so how can we make things work if we don't have
[20:02] SPEAKER_00: access to all these workers, to all the the fabric, how can we locally source that type of fabric?
[20:08] SPEAKER_00: How can we make things in-house and like not only my mom, Mahlin does it, we need like workers
[20:16] SPEAKER_00: in the company, so we really deal them a good structure and so far it's really it's really going
[20:24] SPEAKER_00: well, really glad in in a way that this happened and that we had to to focus on this structure.
[20:32] SPEAKER_00: You know, when things are going well, you just like you're in the day to day actions and
[20:37] SPEAKER_00: responsibilities and it's sometimes it's hard to take a step back and take a look at the picture,
[20:42] SPEAKER_00: but this year's really like I had to do it like I had no other choice did so finally it was it was a good
[20:52] SPEAKER_01: thing. That's great and I'd like to touch on another point that that you talked about before.
[21:01] SPEAKER_01: Basically, how does that look like for you to to be doing your business with your mom,
[21:10] SPEAKER_01: with your family, structuring everything, being the mother of two and now expecting your third?
[21:15] SPEAKER_01: Like what does a day in your life look like? You know, because those are those little hacks that
[21:19] SPEAKER_01: like we always try to find when we listen to other people's stories, we want to see how are they
[21:24] SPEAKER_01: doing it and what can I learn from that and put it into my own routine so I can be more productive,
[21:30] SPEAKER_01: happier, et cetera. So what is your your magic recipe? I think when I have my first kid,
[21:39] SPEAKER_00: I I felt a little bit of guilt because I wanted to be like a hundred everywhere, you know,
[21:46] SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be a hundred percent with my kid, but I also wanted to be a hundred percent at my job
[21:52] SPEAKER_00: and I like what I do and you know, some moms like to be home with their kids and and they feel
[22:00] SPEAKER_00: great about it, but I need to be out of the house to be better when I come back like for me,
[22:07] SPEAKER_00: this is essential to my mental health like I need to do things that it's really important for me.
[22:15] SPEAKER_00: My my days are crazy like kids, it's even like impossible to describe them because it's it's
[22:25] SPEAKER_00: always running and running and running, but I have a tight schedule I wake up before the kids,
[22:34] SPEAKER_00: I work a little bit and then I try to train because it's the the way I can really
[22:44] SPEAKER_00: get the steam off for my mental health as well like I I need some space to just release the pressure
[22:51] SPEAKER_00: the pressure so I do this early in the morning and then when the kids wakes up I'm with the kid
[22:57] SPEAKER_00: until we go to daycare or if it's during the weekend we'll all stay with them all weekend,
[23:03] SPEAKER_00: but I have an hour or two before they wake up and then I'm with them totally and when I go
[23:11] SPEAKER_00: to work I'm there from about I say 738 until three and I'm really at the job and I stop every day
[23:20] SPEAKER_00: at three and I'm with the kids because I want to enjoy like a little bit of time with them
[23:26] SPEAKER_00: and I'm going to bed so early like 738 pm I'm in bed because I want to wake up at floor
[23:34] SPEAKER_00: 430 in the next morning so I can have a time alone you know at 430 in the morning I don't have any
[23:41] SPEAKER_00: I don't have any messages there's no one trying to reach me out so it's really my time to focus
[23:47] SPEAKER_00: on what I want to do and yeah so I'm really trying to have like a meetime to focus when I'm with
[23:55] SPEAKER_00: the kids to be with the kids when I'm at work I'm really at work and I try to finish really early
[24:03] SPEAKER_00: so I can enjoy my my family as well and I think it's really important to take that time I even
[24:09] SPEAKER_00: close my phone myself home and when I go back home because I don't want to I don't want my kids
[24:17] SPEAKER_00: to see me on my phone all the time I'm working a lot they see me working a lot but I'm also really
[24:24] SPEAKER_00: happy that they see their mom like building a business and being happy about it and being really proud
[24:32] SPEAKER_00: for me that's also that that's amazing I'm really proud that I can show them well I think you
[24:38] SPEAKER_01: you deserve you deserve all the the recognition that you're getting from your clients from your
[24:43] SPEAKER_01: family your friends and from yourself you know I can yeah you can be proud of yourself because it's
[24:48] SPEAKER_01: it's not easy to have almost four babies at the same time right your business and then your three
[24:54] SPEAKER_01: kids and also yeah so that's amazing and also I have an amazing partner who's really
[25:03] SPEAKER_00: who does understand what I'm doing and what I'm trying to achieve and he's like my number one
[25:10] SPEAKER_00: fan so that helps a lot and we're really like 50 50 at home and this is something I I wouldn't
[25:17] SPEAKER_00: be able to do if I didn't have like my partner my boyfriend with me who's like really into it as well
[25:27] SPEAKER_01: that's awesome and do you earlier you talked about um you know like people wanting to help you when
[25:33] SPEAKER_01: you start your business you don't have to pay for everything some some things are free and there's
[25:37] SPEAKER_01: a lot of help like before before we we leave each other is there any advice that you'd like to
[25:42] SPEAKER_01: give to people listening to us when they start when they think about starting their business
[25:47] SPEAKER_00: yeah well I think first of all go go get the more advice you can get like it's fun to have an idea
[25:55] SPEAKER_00: it's fun to have a product but then there's so many things around that you need to take in
[26:01] SPEAKER_00: consideration do you have a trademark is it available go go get that information there's
[26:11] SPEAKER_00: there are free services at the government that can help you with trademarks you can have
[26:17] SPEAKER_00: sometimes 15 20 minutes free with with a lawyer like just call them make your sheet of paper
[26:23] SPEAKER_00: you have 15 minutes all right ask your questions for 15 minutes and and and and do it twice and
[26:31] SPEAKER_00: and and go get those information before launching your business or
[26:38] SPEAKER_00: well really earlier in in your business stage so that you start on good based
[26:44] SPEAKER_00: based that was something that was hard to me like I started the product and everything before
[26:51] SPEAKER_00: I had a business model and I really had to work hard to get that structure and to make everything
[26:58] SPEAKER_00: like work together after so go get those information put yourself out there ask people
[27:05] SPEAKER_00: they're opinion like a lot of people are people are going to be party people like a lot of people
[27:11] SPEAKER_00: will tell you oh it's not a good idea or or what are you going with this or this or this but
[27:16] SPEAKER_00: take those take those energies take those comments but take everything in consideration so
[27:24] SPEAKER_00: you have all all the thing in your baggage to to to build something that's strong and that's tough
[27:30] SPEAKER_01: awesome and Nancy thanks so much for being with us today really appreciate your conversation
[27:36] SPEAKER_01: thanks for being engaged in this conversation of gender equality I think it's really inspiring
[27:42] SPEAKER_01: to hear your business and hear your journey if people have question about about yourself or
[27:47] SPEAKER_01: about the business and they want to get in touch with you so what is the best way to do that
[27:51] SPEAKER_00: they can contact me directly by mail Nancy at little yogicomping.com or even on i-sign
[27:59] SPEAKER_01: G-Mins that with the on i-G wonderful well Nancy thanks for being with us and we wish you
[28:06] SPEAKER_01: I wish you the best in your journey and looking forward to seeing your business grow and good luck
[28:11] SPEAKER_01: with your your your maternity leave and you know like the baby coming up thank you so much Sandra thank you
