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[00:00] SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Canada's podcast, the number one podcast for entrepreneurs by
[00:06] SPEAKER_01: entrepreneurs. Hi, this is Angela Faye from Canada's podcast, super excited, welcome
[00:13] SPEAKER_01: Jane Stoller here from Organized Jane with a background in corporate work and
[00:19] SPEAKER_01: suddenly, you know, Jane has become the quintessential global distributor for an
[00:26] SPEAKER_01: idea, which is getting organized for small business. We have lots of value for you today.
[00:31] SPEAKER_01: I mean, happy to introduce you. Tell us a little bit about your entrepreneurial
[00:34] SPEAKER_00: journey. Yes, thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be on this podcast today
[00:39] SPEAKER_00: specifically because my entrepreneurial journey did not start as an entrepreneur.
[00:43] SPEAKER_00: I actually failed this business 10 years ago and I decided to start it as a lot of
[00:48] SPEAKER_00: entrepreneurs do. So I, you know, in Canada, that's where I'm from and I went to
[00:53] SPEAKER_00: traditional route, went to school, university, then working corporate thought I
[00:58] SPEAKER_00: had to be like a VP or CEO to be successful in kind of our society. I always had
[01:04] SPEAKER_00: the passion for organizing. So after I went back to school again, MBA, I thought I
[01:08] SPEAKER_00: can do this business. That was 10 or 12 years ago now. And I started it and I
[01:12] SPEAKER_00: did all the right things, registered the business, you know, had the course, but
[01:16] SPEAKER_00: ready to do this, but I was too scared to market myself. I feel like 10 years
[01:21] SPEAKER_00: ago, we didn't have these podcasts. I didn't have, you know, empowerment groups.
[01:26] SPEAKER_00: I was lacking that motivation and really corporate some mentors that I had
[01:30] SPEAKER_00: in corporate said, you only, you should only be an entrepreneur if you fail
[01:33] SPEAKER_00: in corporate. So that was the advice that I got back in the day. So I, you know, I
[01:39] SPEAKER_00: went, it's, I learned so much still I went to corporate work all over it ended up
[01:43] SPEAKER_00: being consultant on process organizing. So in those 10 years, still organizing
[01:47] SPEAKER_00: concrete plans to, you know, making unprofitable businesses profitable. It was
[01:52] SPEAKER_00: all about organizing, but I wasn't helping individuals I cared about. I was
[01:56] SPEAKER_00: helping shareholders and large corporations. So that, that did not jive with me.
[02:01] SPEAKER_00: So I made the leap three years ago for a organized team. Okay. And once that, I
[02:06] SPEAKER_01: know, just going back, I can't help but just bring in, you were doing a little
[02:10] SPEAKER_01: bit of oil and gas. You were doing concrete, right? So it was hard for
[02:13] SPEAKER_01: manufacturing, and resource sector that you were working in. Can you encapsulate
[02:20] SPEAKER_01: the difference in your lifestyle from three years ago to today?
[02:25] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a really great question because in construction for almost 10,
[02:28] SPEAKER_00: over 10 years, and it was a very, you know, resource based industry. But
[02:35] SPEAKER_00: again, I find with anything you're, you're, you're stripping down the business
[02:38] SPEAKER_00: to make it lean, make it profitable. You're still having the same processes,
[02:41] SPEAKER_00: whether it's in fashion industry or construction. So for me, the only thing was
[02:46] SPEAKER_00: I really, I couldn't go my personality as much as I wanted. I really love, you
[02:50] SPEAKER_00: know, I still love fashion and working with a lot of women and, you know, having fun
[02:54] SPEAKER_00: at work. So that was a little bit where I was missing being in that kind of
[02:58] SPEAKER_00: environment. But of course, the business basics were worse similar to what I'm
[03:02] SPEAKER_00: doing now and what I'm teaching entrepreneurs. Sweet. And so you're now living
[03:08] SPEAKER_01: in Whistler, British Columbia. That right? Yes. Super natural. British Columbia.
[03:13] SPEAKER_01: Tell me a little bit about your actual physical location evolution too. Oh my
[03:19] SPEAKER_00: gosh. So I had always had a dream of, you know, I wish I could work from
[03:23] SPEAKER_00: wherever, right? And it was, wasn't that popular? Let's say 10 years ago as it is
[03:28] SPEAKER_00: true. Yeah.
[03:31] SPEAKER_00: Digital nomads was not exactly common.
[03:34] SPEAKER_00: Not common. So I just really was a trooper for my corporate world. I moved from,
[03:39] SPEAKER_00: you know, Ottawa to Vancouver to Nanaimo to Fort Mac for a bit, then Emton and
[03:43] SPEAKER_00: then overseas to Zurich. And then I was going to France again. And I was just
[03:47] SPEAKER_00: tired of moving. And I had this, I was like, I wish I know that I can help
[03:51] SPEAKER_00: people from wherever I wanted to. And I had a dream of living in a ski resort.
[03:56] SPEAKER_00: And I had friends here. So I'm like, I'm going to do organized, Jane. I'm going to
[03:58] SPEAKER_00: live in Whistler. And it just kind of works. Tell me about your Whistler lifestyle
[04:03] SPEAKER_01: a little bit. It certainly has a reputation. But, you know, a lot of that
[04:08] SPEAKER_01: reputation comes from the visitor, right? The people who fly in and get the
[04:14] SPEAKER_01: high end, you know, ski destination. Tell me what it's like as a resident.
[04:21] SPEAKER_00: As a resident, it's actually so unique because all the people that live in Whistler,
[04:26] SPEAKER_00: it's a very expensive place to live. You have to really hustle. And there's not
[04:30] SPEAKER_00: a lot of corporate jobs. So everybody here has a business and is really trying to
[04:35] SPEAKER_00: make it work. And I have found the most amazing community here, especially women
[04:39] SPEAKER_00: entrepreneurs. There's actually a big conference tomorrow. I'm attending.
[04:42] SPEAKER_00: That's called W North. That is, and the CEO lives just down the street for me.
[04:46] SPEAKER_00: So there is so many entrepreneurs in this town more than I had even living in a
[04:51] SPEAKER_00: big city where a lot of people went to 95 jobs. So I find here we work hard.
[04:56] SPEAKER_00: We play hard, you know, a lot of what we'll say, okay, we can ski from who's
[04:59] SPEAKER_00: who wants to ski from 9 to 11. And then we go and do a work. And we're usually
[05:04] SPEAKER_00: always talking business. So it's I find this is a really great environment to
[05:09] SPEAKER_00: actually cultivate not just networks, but have that mentality that we want to
[05:14] SPEAKER_00: live here. We want to work hard and play hard. Nice. So you obviously have a
[05:18] SPEAKER_01: ski pass. Yeah. So you can chuck out for a few hours if you want.
[05:23] SPEAKER_00: Exactly. What about the summer? And the summer as well. It's very busy in the summer.
[05:28] SPEAKER_00: And I actually go back to Ontario spends a few months there because I find
[05:32] SPEAKER_00: whistle very it's like a big city. I find here a lot of tourists are coming in.
[05:36] SPEAKER_00: It's almost busier in the summer. But there is a lot of lakes and nature.
[05:39] SPEAKER_00: And as an entrepreneur, sometimes we can get lonely. So being able to, you know,
[05:43] SPEAKER_00: go on walks and meet friends and is a blessing.
[05:47] SPEAKER_01: Absolutely. And if you actual mean municipality is it growing? Is it
[05:52] SPEAKER_01: shrinking? Are there opportunities there? What do you see?
[05:56] SPEAKER_00: There is lots of opportunities and they really support small businesses,
[05:59] SPEAKER_00: especially during the pandemic too. So I'm working with the chamber a lot.
[06:03] SPEAKER_00: And it's a nice community that really it thrives on small businesses.
[06:07] SPEAKER_00: So it was bought by a large corporation that the hill itself, but there is
[06:11] SPEAKER_00: like you walk around town and it's all small businesses. So they are very
[06:15] SPEAKER_00: conducive to helping out and working with them. And I think as a municipality
[06:19] SPEAKER_00: now with the pandemic, we have seen an influx of people wanting to live here.
[06:23] SPEAKER_00: Hi, bad. A lot of Vancouverites and even North more north to Whistler and South
[06:27] SPEAKER_00: and Squamish. Those areas have really become hot pockets for people wanting to
[06:31] SPEAKER_00: have more space and get out of the cities.
[06:34] SPEAKER_01: Well, and I think that's a bit of a trend that I'm hearing both in real estate and
[06:37] SPEAKER_01: even just talking to people in the in the Canada's podcast network who are
[06:42] SPEAKER_01: suddenly they can live anywhere. Just like you saying, my dream is to live on a
[06:46] SPEAKER_01: ski resort. Why wouldn't I why wouldn't I do that? Why wouldn't I move out of the
[06:50] SPEAKER_01: major urban center? Is that even with your client base and your network? Is that
[06:54] SPEAKER_00: what you're seeing? You know, I a lot of my clients,
[06:59] SPEAKER_00: they have some of them are coaches already. Some of them have brick and mortar
[07:02] SPEAKER_00: businesses. So but a lot of people are really kind of not jealous.
[07:07] SPEAKER_00: Oh, I wish I could live in nature, right? Or all I need to get out of the city.
[07:10] SPEAKER_00: So I think it's a trend overall right now. Absolutely. Sweet. Well, thanks for your highlights
[07:15] SPEAKER_01: on Whistler too. Is there anything in particular if you could if you could wave a magic wand and
[07:20] SPEAKER_01: recruit two or three new companies to Whistler? What's what's the gap? What's missing?
[07:24] SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a great question. So there is great internet here because of the Olympic.
[07:29] SPEAKER_00: So for tech companies, I think this would be a phenomenal place, especially like the Google
[07:34] SPEAKER_00: to promote, you know, we can live there and work a lot, but there is a little bit of balance,
[07:38] SPEAKER_00: right? So I think big tech companies could, there's a lot of the CEOs or whatnot have big houses
[07:43] SPEAKER_00: here, but there's not the offices for it. So a little bit more industry on the tech side would be
[07:47] SPEAKER_01: phenomenal. Okay, so we know what can we have a snippet of what's the future of Whistler? Tell me,
[07:53] SPEAKER_01: what I'm totally curious about game is, you know, I talked to briefly,
[07:58] SPEAKER_01: pretty interview about saying, you know, we're not, you're not a product. You don't have a commodity.
[08:02] SPEAKER_01: You have an idea, which is how a skill set coming from corporate, which was getting people
[08:07] SPEAKER_01: organized. And even historically, you started a course, so you were thinking about starting a
[08:13] SPEAKER_01: course, and now finally, you just jumped all in. You committed all in to organize Jane. How do you
[08:20] SPEAKER_01: get an idea to commercialization? What has been your process? That is a phenomenal question.
[08:29] SPEAKER_00: And I think as entrepreneurs, we have the ideas, but we need the help on the execution, right?
[08:33] SPEAKER_00: And everybody does. So I hired business coaches. I still have a business coach, and I hired for
[08:39] SPEAKER_00: what I wanted to exactly do. So when I started, I had to hire personal branding because I had no
[08:43] SPEAKER_00: brand. And I was scared to mark on myself in the beginning. I didn't want to make that same
[08:47] SPEAKER_00: mistake. So I said, I need a brand so people know who I am. To then if they search me, they'll know
[08:52] SPEAKER_00: what I do. So that was my first step, getting that personal branding, what I do, my messaging clear,
[08:59] SPEAKER_00: and then hiring a coach for helping to create the course. So I looked at somebody who had
[09:03] SPEAKER_00: did exactly what I wanted to do. And I said, okay, I need to take your course so you can teach me
[09:08] SPEAKER_00: X, Y, and Z on how I can get my skill set to the masses, right? Because I have the skill I know
[09:14] SPEAKER_00: it works. I've been doing it one on one. I've been doing a corporate. So how do I now package this
[09:18] SPEAKER_00: and get the message out so I can help more people? And what's the message? The message is really that
[09:23] SPEAKER_00: especially as business owners, I wanted to help you with six steps to organize the back end of your
[09:27] SPEAKER_00: business because without that, you will never be able to scale unless you burn out. So it's really
[09:33] SPEAKER_00: entrepreneurs, we have these ideas. We're good at big picture. We're really good at our skills and
[09:38] SPEAKER_00: our zone of genius. But often we forget about the importance of our back end of our organizing
[09:43] SPEAKER_01: our business and life. Absolutely. And back end, I know it's a process, but when you're talking back
[09:48] SPEAKER_00: end, you're talking what kind of systems? I'm talking everything. I have a six step process, but I
[09:53] SPEAKER_00: look at everything from your time management being the most important part because our time as
[09:58] SPEAKER_00: entrepreneur is so vital. And often we're spending it in the wrong places. 80% of our time should be
[10:03] SPEAKER_00: on revenue generating activities. The first exercise I do with my clients, it's usually the opposite.
[10:09] SPEAKER_00: We're spending time on stuff we shouldn't be doing or eliminating or outsourcing it or
[10:13] SPEAKER_00: automating. Time is the number one thing I go through first and foremost. And in your experience,
[10:20] SPEAKER_01: so far, like your clients say, you're spending too much time doing this and which isn't to revenue
[10:26] SPEAKER_01: generating exercise. What are they doing that needs to get dropped to shift?
[10:35] SPEAKER_00: It's that that's a there's so many different answers. There's a lot of them. A lot of them is the
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: min work that they are just doing repetitively that they don't need to be doing. Maybe on social media,
[10:45] SPEAKER_00: but they're not the platform where they're audience is that or maybe they're spending too much time
[10:50] SPEAKER_00: posting versus engaging things like that. Other time it's a lot of time, you know, writing blog posts
[10:55] SPEAKER_00: or writing things that are super important, but how can we move that to let's say be more automated
[11:00] SPEAKER_00: or even on the tech side. And to be honest, most entrepreneurs are slated to their emails.
[11:07] SPEAKER_00: And they are reactive. So 80% of their time they're reacting to emails coming in versus when I
[11:12] SPEAKER_00: ask them what their big impact is, it is not related to the emails that they're actually going through.
[11:17] SPEAKER_00: Whether or not focusing on creating the products or services that their clients actually need.
[11:23] SPEAKER_01: You mentioned the word, you know, posting or one way versus engaging. How do you describe
[11:31] SPEAKER_00: engagement as opposed to maybe one way communication? Yeah, this is a really hard one that I've had to
[11:37] SPEAKER_00: take lots of courses on and really change my own mindset because we're used to saying, okay,
[11:43] SPEAKER_00: I have this one post. I'm going to put it out and everybody will come to me, right? Or I really
[11:47] SPEAKER_00: want to show this off and it's a great message, but really you need to have first built the community
[11:52] SPEAKER_00: and engage and shout and you want to give your audience what they're looking for, right? So just
[11:56] SPEAKER_00: a cute post of you in your whatever you're doing. It's probably not going to get anyone to say,
[12:01] SPEAKER_00: okay, I'm going to work with you, right? It's really, I want to be targeted the messaging to the
[12:05] SPEAKER_00: person listening, I want to add value and I want to show up so that they can actually learn something
[12:11] SPEAKER_00: and say, I want to learn more, right? Or this actually helps me. So just changing that mindset of
[12:16] SPEAKER_00: how important the engagement is to actually just the picture perfect post.
[12:21] SPEAKER_01: So one thing and I'm going to pick up on the decluttering sort of poster in your background there,
[12:28] SPEAKER_01: I can't describe to you how inundated I feel right now with social media, feeds and ads and emails
[12:37] SPEAKER_01: that are about coaches, right? Saying, yeah, I can help you. I can help you. I'm assuming they mean
[12:45] SPEAKER_01: start your idea business, right? Or start becoming a better or more focused freelance or a contractor,
[12:52] SPEAKER_01: particularly this year, I think, right? So where is that coming from and how do you navigate
[13:02] SPEAKER_01: that clutter of knowing what's relevant or even deciding like how did you decide on a business
[13:09] SPEAKER_01: coach, for instance, or when somebody's navigating what to do next, how on earth do you get
[13:18] SPEAKER_00: out of the clutter? There is so much clutter. And in the book that you see up there, the third part
[13:24] SPEAKER_00: is all about your digital clutter and everything from email management to social media profiles to
[13:31] SPEAKER_00: detoxing as well. So I look at it the same way as if I would buy a car or something as a business
[13:36] SPEAKER_00: coach. You want to look at what you want, look at where you want to get to. So if it's something
[13:42] SPEAKER_00: practical or I've had so many different coaches for different times in my business, but look at what
[13:47] SPEAKER_00: the outcome you want and then do a bit of research, put a time cube on, like only research for 30 minutes
[13:53] SPEAKER_00: and then that's it and then pick someone and go for it. So I say we're just, we have so much of it,
[13:58] SPEAKER_00: we have to set time limits nowadays. We can't even when we're shopping online, we have to be intentional,
[14:03] SPEAKER_00: we have to say this is what I want and it's funny, the universe usually gives you what you want.
[14:08] SPEAKER_00: It's done. But when you're looking for the right coach, it kind of just comes to you and you're like,
[14:12] SPEAKER_00: okay, and then you do a bit of research, talk to one or two people who may be taking that and then go
[14:16] SPEAKER_00: for it, right? We don't want this analysis paralysis because we don't have enough time and we're already
[14:21] SPEAKER_01: too cluttered. And where is the point that Jane herself enters people's lives? Where is the best
[14:31] SPEAKER_00: great question on word crisis? Like the point. Yeah, so for me, I work with business owners who
[14:37] SPEAKER_00: already have a successful product or business. I'm not going to help you start a business from scratch,
[14:42] SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to help you get your messaging right. I'm not that person. I'm not a marketing
[14:46] SPEAKER_00: group. I'm really just the person that once you have scaled to the point where you know you need to
[14:51] SPEAKER_00: hire people, you know, you're overwhelmed, you're a burnt out, but you still want to grow your
[14:55] SPEAKER_01: business. That's, that's, it's time to come to me. And so the process is working with the individual
[15:02] SPEAKER_01: as opposed to let's say you're not an HR recruitment firm or any, yeah, I know I work with the
[15:07] SPEAKER_01: individual, yeah. Okay. Can you describe a couple of, can you give me a best case scenario? Somebody
[15:13] SPEAKER_01: that you've loved working with and I mean, I understand client privilege, you probably can't talk
[15:18] SPEAKER_01: with a person or if you can go for it, but what was the experience like for you and for them?
[15:25] SPEAKER_00: I've had so many amazing, amazing clients and I love sharing their success stories and one of them
[15:30] SPEAKER_00: is actually just south of the NIMO. She was on the island and you know, she had, I think, read my
[15:35] SPEAKER_00: book and then joined a webinar and she had a lot, she had a consulting business plus the essential
[15:40] SPEAKER_00: oils business plus like she had three kids and just a lot going on and a very successful business
[15:48] SPEAKER_00: and especially the pandemic then, 10th sanitizer became popular and it was really just exploding.
[15:54] SPEAKER_00: She was going to be putting on Amazon, a lot of her sales were. So just at a distribution,
[15:58] SPEAKER_00: she was also packaging them, a lot of different moving parts. So for her, the big thing was she was
[16:03] SPEAKER_00: so overwhelmed, she came to me, she's like, I just, I thought we were just going to make things
[16:07] SPEAKER_00: into pretty files, but it really helped me organize my time first of all, see that I don't have to
[16:12] SPEAKER_00: be perfect and outsource a few key things in both her personal and professional life and she
[16:17] SPEAKER_00: actually was able to take a vacation. So an entrepreneur can take a vacation and their business can still
[16:22] SPEAKER_00: be running happily. That is to me the biggest success story and we're still quite good friends
[16:28] SPEAKER_00: and I love seeing kind of that and my course is also lifetime access. So every Tuesday when I show
[16:34] SPEAKER_00: up, but if they'd like to jump by, they have questions or whatever it may be, we're all kind of
[16:38] SPEAKER_01: here to continue supporting. Now there's two things I want to ask about and I'm going to put them both
[16:43] SPEAKER_01: on the table because they're kind of a yin yang scenario, but you talked about developing a community
[16:49] SPEAKER_01: and yet you have a global online platform, right? So anybody in the world technically can access
[16:57] SPEAKER_01: you and your program, your skill set because you're all completely digital and community, you know,
[17:06] SPEAKER_01: historically has been a geographical community, but so how what does community mean to you and
[17:11] SPEAKER_00: how do you nurture it? Oh and community has definitely changed, but my community is really on my
[17:18] SPEAKER_00: I have an online and an offline community and for me, my online community is really my heart and
[17:24] SPEAKER_00: soul like I am so thankful for every all my people that engage that follow that reach out to me and I
[17:31] SPEAKER_00: also am so thankful for all the inspiration that I have for the people that I can follow and reach
[17:37] SPEAKER_00: out to and all the business coaches I found have been online and through those communities. So
[17:42] SPEAKER_00: I find just today we have no excuse not to build and find people around us who can support us in
[17:48] SPEAKER_00: whatever aspect we need and that you know my first business coach was in Dubai and she was German
[17:53] SPEAKER_00: and yeah so that was three years ago personal branding she helped me get over the fear and start
[17:58] SPEAKER_00: you know marketing myself so that you know there was no borders then for me and it was like I
[18:04] SPEAKER_00: like her style there is zoom just like we're doing and podcasting so I find that community
[18:10] SPEAKER_00: I think is even bigger online today than it ever was and during the pandemic I was so grateful
[18:15] SPEAKER_00: for that this community I never feel alone even though I work alone I do have a small team but
[18:21] SPEAKER_00: I'm always connected and social media for me is so powerful it used in the right way to build
[18:28] SPEAKER_00: those relationships the communities last year I had a women and business brunch to launch the
[18:33] SPEAKER_00: book that you see in that this corner and it was all people that I had met on my online community
[18:38] SPEAKER_00: and we did come together face-to-face so powerful interesting so let's just talk a little bit about
[18:44] SPEAKER_01: the you know we're we're all sitting behind screens at this stage of our humanity why is organized
[18:52] SPEAKER_01: genes such an essential process to go through now yeah now more than ever I say because we are at
[19:01] SPEAKER_00: home and our home space it's usually our office space now when clutter is lingering we knew this
[19:06] SPEAKER_00: from we know this in our mind in our office space in our closet everywhere that clutter is lingering
[19:12] SPEAKER_00: it's causing you a little bit of mental space to think about it so you're taking up time wasting
[19:17] SPEAKER_00: thinking about the clutter or moving the clutter or looking for things so for me I always say like
[19:23] SPEAKER_00: a laser focused you know even closet can leave you on your way to a structured system driven
[19:28] SPEAKER_01: office space it's all related absolutely so one we talked about engagement now we had an idea that
[19:37] SPEAKER_01: we'd like to share right which is we know that there's lots of people out there who are either pivoting
[19:44] SPEAKER_01: right their their business is transitioning maybe they need they might have a or they might be
[19:51] SPEAKER_01: working for home and suddenly where they were able to leave home behind and go to the office and
[19:56] SPEAKER_01: maybe was their sanctuary there that's a critical sort of profile as well as people who were
[20:04] SPEAKER_01: maybe transitioning out of corporate into you know that that idea maybe they they started a side
[20:10] SPEAKER_01: hustle but now they want to develop it full time I see those as two big profiles and growing
[20:15] SPEAKER_01: audiences and you made an offer to Canada podcast listeners do you want to just describe that
[20:22] SPEAKER_00: a little bit yes so I would really love to give some a group coaching session to listeners listening
[20:29] SPEAKER_00: I believe we said the first 10 people that share this post in comment and I'll let Angela finish off
[20:35] SPEAKER_00: on exactly the rules for it but really I would love to jump on a 30 to 45 minute call with all of
[20:42] SPEAKER_00: with these 10 10 individuals to really talk about where you're at and your organizing lifestyle
[20:47] SPEAKER_00: whether it's you don't have to have a business in this sense but really we want to talk about
[20:51] SPEAKER_00: some key things to get your life and business decluttered right away a few quick tips and then
[20:56] SPEAKER_00: I'll also be sharing the chapter in my book on decluttering for dummies on your office space
[21:01] SPEAKER_00: because most of us are working from home so it'll be an extra extra tidbit in there awesome and what
[21:07] SPEAKER_01: we're we talked about maybe trying to do this as either a live session or a you know of
[21:13] SPEAKER_01: Canada's podcast session free Christmas yes so we can declutter just prior to 2021
[21:20] SPEAKER_00: is that correct it's the perfect time and Christmas is often overwhelming because we're getting a lot
[21:26] SPEAKER_00: of stuff into our homes and I don't think this year will be any different we're just consumer so
[21:31] SPEAKER_00: we need to I want to really help you focus on that decluttering mentality and your life and business
[21:35] SPEAKER_01: so we can start 2021 really fresh in a podcast the other day to something like the worst investment
[21:41] SPEAKER_01: that I made was a 2020 planner right I mean but we can start 2021 with a declutter which is a
[21:50] SPEAKER_01: which is actually an intentionally intentional plan going for exactly yeah perfect Jane how
[21:56] SPEAKER_00: can we get a hold of you after today yeah so I'm my website is organized Jane.com and then all
[22:03] SPEAKER_00: my social handles my Instagram organized Jane is my I'm the biggest community that I'm always
[22:08] SPEAKER_00: cultivating and I'm in there a few hours a day my weekly YouTube channels go out on Tuesday and
[22:13] SPEAKER_00: that's at organized Jane otherwise yeah you can find me on my website and my email is there
[22:18] SPEAKER_01: cool and if you want to take advantage of the Canada podcast audience segment then yeah subscribe
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[22:30] SPEAKER_01: forward to seeing you again and engaging with you more bye so much bye bye
