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[00:00] SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Canada's podcast.
[00:05] SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Celine Williams hosting for Montereo for Canada's podcast.
[00:10] SPEAKER_00: Teresa Vazza is an executive coach, former chief HR officer and leadership expert for women in high pressure positions.
[00:16] SPEAKER_00: Thank you for joining me today Teresa.
[00:19] SPEAKER_01: It was a pleasure to be here and I'm so impressed you said my last name perfectly.
[00:24] SPEAKER_00: Half Italian, if I can't get that right.
[00:26] SPEAKER_00: I knew it. I knew there was something about you.
[00:30] SPEAKER_00: Man, if I didn't get that right, my family would be like, come on now.
[00:34] SPEAKER_01: As they should. As they should. That was great.
[00:38] SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you. I'm very glad because I always am hesitant like, did I get it right and glad I did.
[00:44] SPEAKER_00: You did.
[00:45] SPEAKER_00: Very excited to talk to you today.
[00:47] SPEAKER_00: I am biased as someone who also is an executive coach and love, I'm all about leadership.
[00:53] SPEAKER_00: So I'm really excited to talk to you about your experience.
[00:56] SPEAKER_00: And I'd love to start by hearing a little bit about your story of what got you to doing what you're doing right now.
[01:04] SPEAKER_01: It's a great question, Celine.
[01:07] SPEAKER_01: And I would say as we were talking just for a few minutes before the show, my story is really one of having fallen down myself and then having to get myself back up.
[01:20] SPEAKER_01: And what were all the different lessons along the way in that in that journey, if you will.
[01:25] SPEAKER_01: And I do think the word journey is overused, but I used it. And so here we go.
[01:30] SPEAKER_01: But I, I think for me, I always had a sneaking suspicion that I was destined to do something else than I was doing.
[01:40] SPEAKER_01: However, like as with many women, we just keep on the treadmill, right.
[01:46] SPEAKER_01: So 2015, I was on that treadmill.
[01:50] SPEAKER_01: I was just promoted to a vice president role and I was flying high, if you will.
[01:57] SPEAKER_01: And I was a classic overachiever type.
[02:00] SPEAKER_01: I did not know when to stop.
[02:03] SPEAKER_01: And because I was in a new position, I didn't think it was even a choice to be able to say no.
[02:12] SPEAKER_01: So you asked me to do things and I would say yes, and I would do them.
[02:16] SPEAKER_01: Well, that landed me in an emergency ward because I had to be carried out in the stretcher with anxiety attacks.
[02:25] SPEAKER_01: At the time, I did not think it was anxiety. I thought it was my heart.
[02:30] SPEAKER_01: I thought I was undergoing a severe heart issue.
[02:34] SPEAKER_01: And I wish I could tell you that it was just one time, but I ended up going back to the emergency ward probably three more times to check on my heart.
[02:43] SPEAKER_01: And each time the doctor saying to me, Teresa, you have extremely high anxiety.
[02:50] SPEAKER_01: Here's a lorazapam, which was the medication they gave you to calm down and go to sleep and go home and get some sleep.
[02:58] SPEAKER_01: And so that began the journey to really get a hold of the anxiety that I had, which seemed to be around work.
[03:12] SPEAKER_01: And that burnout episode, which was what it was characterized as, we kind of became the catalyst for change going forward.
[03:20] SPEAKER_01: So I started to really learn and understand the importance of energy management and what that actually was.
[03:28] SPEAKER_01: And then I became to, I started to become very serious about my coaching business.
[03:33] SPEAKER_01: I had a side hustle at the time, one or two clients.
[03:37] SPEAKER_01: And then I really started to take it more seriously.
[03:42] SPEAKER_01: And once the pandemic hit, I was at a crisis point in at work where I was, I could feel the beginnings of that same anxiety giving rise in my body.
[03:52] SPEAKER_01: Thankfully, I knew enough to know the warning signs and I was able to curtail it.
[03:57] SPEAKER_01: But only after I made the very deliberate decision to leave and start my own business.
[04:03] SPEAKER_01: And so that is kind of what started the entire experience that I had as an executive coach, predominantly choosing to work with women in high pressure roles who feel, who feel trapped.
[04:21] SPEAKER_01: And whether they feel trapped because they are called for more and they want to become an entrepreneur or they feel trapped because they work it for a boss that doesn't support them.
[04:32] SPEAKER_01: Or they're experiencing severe burnout.
[04:34] SPEAKER_01: And that was about two years ago and it's the best decision I've ever made.
[04:40] SPEAKER_00: I love that. I have two questions. The first one is, I'm curious if you ever work with women who feel less trapped by say a job or a role that they want to escape, but feel trapped by the life they've created that they thought was supposed to be one thing and not together.
[05:00] SPEAKER_00: It may not be work specific.
[05:02] SPEAKER_00: But, you know, fully is my, I mean, totally owned a bias here. I hear a lot of that where it's not even necessarily or as specific as this job is, is or this role or this boss is the problem.
[05:19] SPEAKER_00: But it's like, I think I've created a life that may not be the life that I want.
[05:25] SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, all the time. And in fact, I think I was just writing an article today about, you know, the life you want to escape from.
[05:34] SPEAKER_01: And so for many women, their careers become their way of escaping. If it's not the 4 p.m. cocktail or if it's not scrolling through Instagram, it could be work.
[05:46] SPEAKER_01: And so I hear a lot from women too, who will say things like, this isn't what I thought it would be. And when we really uncover what, what that's really about, it's because they're not living in integrity.
[06:02] SPEAKER_01: And so when you're not living in integrity, your body starts to reject you. And so it'll start to show up in feelings of anxiety or stress or overwork or saying yes when you mean no.
[06:17] SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, the life that they find themselves in is so unsatisfactory because they made decisions back when they're in their 20s or 30s, depending on when they started the career, their careers like really taking off that wouldn't be the same decisions that they would make today.
[06:37] SPEAKER_01: And I think once women feel like they're allowed, like that, and it's terrible that we didn't have to use that word, but for so many women, it's almost like we're waiting for permission to be told it's OK.
[06:51] SPEAKER_01: It's OK for you not to want to do this anymore. It's OK for you to be exhausted. It's OK for you to wish that you had done something completely different.
[07:00] SPEAKER_01: And further, it's not too late because I think that that really also and slaves women is this belief that I should be happy.
[07:12] SPEAKER_01: It's, you know, I really should just be happy with what I have. It's not that bad. And then we start telling our things, right?
[07:19] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love what you said about permission because I think that that is a real challenge for women across the board. Listen, I think it comes from how we socialize the little girls.
[07:27] SPEAKER_00: I think it is a whole deep, much larger societal thing, you know, that exists in most societies, but definitely in North America.
[07:39] SPEAKER_00: And that is that we as women look for permission to do things. Is it OK for me to do this? Is it OK? Is it OK to be different, make a different choice, whatever the case may be, rather than trusting our intuition or looking internal and saying, is this what I want?
[07:58] SPEAKER_00: Like is this rather than do I have permission to do this? Is this even what I want? What would it be if I could do what I want to do?
[08:07] SPEAKER_01: That's one of the first questions I ask women as well is, you know, what is it that you really, really want?
[08:16] SPEAKER_01: And it would always baffles me, but it shouldn't because I don't know that I would have been able to have answered that years ago.
[08:23] SPEAKER_01: But so many women don't know how to answer that. And I think it's because we have been so used to not asking ourselves what we want.
[08:33] SPEAKER_01: And that those neural pathways have not been strengthened. And so instead, we are settling for what has been normalized in our lives, in our careers.
[08:46] SPEAKER_01: And in fact, one of the things I often will coach women on is the importance of not having to ask for permission and watching for it even in the language that you use.
[08:59] SPEAKER_01: But I used to do this all the time as an executive. Is that okay? Is that okay? Or I'm sorry. And I used to always use all this diminutive language almost unconsciously because it was what I had conditioned myself to be as secondary to men.
[09:20] SPEAKER_01: And you're right. I mean, a lot of it is just the way little girls have been brought up. But the good news is that once we recognize how we keep kind of pulling ourselves down, we have the ability to change that.
[09:35] SPEAKER_01: And that's what happened to me as I was able to really question my language and what I was telling myself and what I was making things mean.
[09:42] SPEAKER_01: It was, it was, it wasn't true. And so I had to really uncover for myself, what does it mean to live a life that is true. And it sounds cliche.
[09:55] SPEAKER_01: But there's a reason cliche exists for a reason is because it originates from somewhere.
[10:00] SPEAKER_01: And that one is true. You know, if we're living in any kind of dishonest fashion to ourselves, it's going to show up in maladaptive ways.
[10:12] SPEAKER_00: Absolutely. And I think that it is really hard to, I think it is more challenging. Let's put it that way. I think it's more challenging for women than for men.
[10:31] SPEAKER_00: Let alone when you get into, you know, people of color indigenous, like let alone any other, you know, queer, whatever group. Yeah.
[10:40] SPEAKER_00: That is outside of that to do something that is different than what is expected or own that they want something that is different than whatever the quote norm is to step into that and trust that it's okay to be different.
[10:56] SPEAKER_00: In that way, it is much more challenging for women. And so we do have a tendency to use, you know, language that diminishes us to always kind of check that balance.
[11:09] SPEAKER_00: You know, the thing that I always notice in emails is how often women say I just have, I just have a question. This is, you know, just really quickly or whatever that is to make it asking for permission to ask something or say something that is completely different.
[11:26] SPEAKER_00: It's really, quote, normal to ask or whatever the case may be. And it's, it's really, I think it's important that we acknowledge that that this is real. It is more challenging.
[11:39] SPEAKER_01: It is. And I think by acknowledging that it may be more difficult for women doesn't take away from the fact that men experience it too. So I'm glad you made that disclaimer because you're right.
[11:51] SPEAKER_01: However, what I've noticed is that there is an increased propensity among women to play smaller because of the messages we've received from a very young age around playing nice and, you know, saying sorry.
[12:14] SPEAKER_01: And all of those extremely well meaning messages that have only served to kind of put women like in our place, right? Like knowing how to use your manners and the decorum and, you know, all of those different things that again, the intention, I don't believe was malicious, but the result has been in a culture of women who feel the need to have a better way to do it.
[12:46] SPEAKER_01: And that for sure is, you know, patriarchy created. However, I also think that there's a movement happening of which I am hopeful and very inspired to be part of where an increasing number of women, whether you're a corporate or a business owner or a stay at home mom or whatever it is that you decide to do.
[13:12] SPEAKER_01: So, um, takes pride in the roles that they've chosen for themselves and it's their decision.
[13:21] SPEAKER_01: It's not a decision that others have bestowed upon them. It's a decision that they're making.
[13:27] SPEAKER_01: I have a little girl, her name is, is about and I just bought her this book called Rebel Girls and it's this fantastic book of all of these really inspiring, free thinking women who have made choices to do things that completely went against the norm.
[13:48] SPEAKER_01: Um, and how they came about that resilience or that ability and in almost every story, there was someone that didn't believe in them or an institution or an organization that didn't believe in them, but they persevered.
[14:04] SPEAKER_01: And I think that persevered that perseverance that resilience that grit.
[14:10] SPEAKER_01: Those are all qualities that women also have in spades. And so that is why they have the ability to kind of triumph over that playing small, if you will.
[14:23] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that first of all, I were definitely going to link that book in the notes just as a sidebar for anyone with little girls, because I think that's a fantastic call out. Thank you for shouting it out.
[14:36] SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
[14:36] SPEAKER_00: And I, when you started talking about this, I thought, oh, this is so interesting because not even a week ago, I had, I, I had a man say to me, you know, you're kind of a bitch.
[14:49] SPEAKER_00: And I said, and this is like a playing small thing. And I said, I think you mean that I'm direct and confident.
[14:56] SPEAKER_00: And society has taught you that that means I'm a bitch. Would you ever say that to a guy? And he immediately stopped and was like, oh my goodness.
[15:04] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I bet.
[15:04] SPEAKER_00: But it is a, I use that example because it's a, it is, first of all, I'm not the only woman who has experiences. I have not, but it's so common to hear things like that as a woman to have moments like that that are reinforcing the idea of playing small.
[15:21] SPEAKER_00: Like how dare you step into something that is not expected of your gender, you're not playing nice right now.
[15:28] SPEAKER_00: We don't always need to play nice. It's okay to, there is, it's absolutely okay. It's beyond okay to be direct and know what you want and state your needs and not back down because someone is challenging.
[15:42] SPEAKER_00: And it's not about being right or wrong, but you can have a discussion and be challenged and hold your ground as a woman. And we're so often taught that the playing nice, which then be, being nice, which then becomes playing small is more important.
[15:55] SPEAKER_01: That's so powerful. Yeah. And you know, what I love about that story too, though, is that what comes to my mind as I hear you is it doesn't like I hear from women sometimes it's saying me, oh, I wish I was more like you or I wish I could be more direct.
[16:13] SPEAKER_01: And when I hear that, I hear a woman who was given up, I hear someone who is decided for themselves in that moment and maybe for years before that that they don't they're not capable of being any other way.
[16:28] SPEAKER_01: Look, I'm not advocating that women need to change any aspect of themselves that they don't want to change. However, if something is continuing to harm you and let's face it. I mean, I work with women in professions that are high stress and there's a lot that's not to their to their benefit.
[16:48] SPEAKER_01: And so the only way out of that is to practice and once you uncover all of the, and I know this is really big out there too, but like limiting beliefs and the paradigms and all of the different ways in which to say all of the head trash, you know, that we've heard growing up and even as adults.
[17:12] SPEAKER_01: Once we start to dislike uncover that we can unravel those beliefs and actually be different. I mean, I had a client who.
[17:23] SPEAKER_01: When she first started with me, she was unable to say no to her CEO and I mean, she just said you don't understand. I remember her always say this, but you don't understand this is this is so not like me. I'm not.
[17:42] SPEAKER_01: But I'm not saying they just made to do this, and I was like, I want you to try one sentence. Just one. And that sentence is let me get back to you. And that one sentence.
[17:54] SPEAKER_01: And I would have gone further because I'm more I a bit more bold that way, but we had to start small, right. And that one sentence gave her a little bit more lift, a little bit more self-trust that she was capable of using her voice to assert a boundary.
[18:11] SPEAKER_01: without being a quote unquote bitch.
[18:15] SPEAKER_01: And that was the starting point of her changing her entire relationship with her dominantly
[18:21] SPEAKER_01: men in her case that were really difficult to work with in her words.
[18:26] SPEAKER_01: And it's as simple as starting with a very small low hanging fruit.
[18:32] SPEAKER_01: And I promise you that change can happen.
[18:36] SPEAKER_01: But if it starts with what we believe about ourselves.
[18:40] SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
[18:42] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[18:42] SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
[18:43] SPEAKER_00: I love the suggestion of let me get back to you as a starting point.
[18:47] SPEAKER_00: And for the record, in my opinion, if that's as far as it ever gets that you use let me
[18:52] SPEAKER_00: get back to you and you take the time and you can.
[18:55] SPEAKER_00: Great.
[18:56] SPEAKER_00: Do that.
[18:57] SPEAKER_00: If that is as far as if that is as direct as you're willing to go is in that moment to
[19:01] SPEAKER_00: say that and gather information come fine.
[19:04] SPEAKER_00: But if that's a door to being more direct in the moment when and saying like actually this
[19:08] SPEAKER_00: is a no for I mean the version of this is a no for me.
[19:11] SPEAKER_00: I'm not saying use that language.
[19:13] SPEAKER_02: Even better.
[19:14] SPEAKER_00: But it doesn't that is okay as the place that you continue as a as a language you continue
[19:19] SPEAKER_00: to use.
[19:20] SPEAKER_00: And it's such a great suggestion for women also men for the record again for anyone to
[19:26] SPEAKER_00: step into the to their voice and their power of saying no or you know checking in with
[19:34] SPEAKER_00: themselves because in the moment.
[19:36] SPEAKER_00: We cannot always recognize the head trash as you mentioned it in the moment we're not
[19:41] SPEAKER_00: always it is a practice to be able to understand that as you're going through it is a practice
[19:46] SPEAKER_00: to to be able to say this is really what I want and check in when you're in a high stress
[19:53] SPEAKER_00: high pressure whatever situation.
[19:55] SPEAKER_00: So if you're not practiced in that yet if that's not if that's always going to be a thing
[20:01] SPEAKER_00: that you're like I need a minute because there are people who will always need a minute.
[20:05] SPEAKER_00: Let me get back to you is such a great doorway to that.
[20:10] SPEAKER_01: It is I love it.
[20:11] SPEAKER_01: I use it to especially what as it relates to even my kids.
[20:16] SPEAKER_01: But the other thing too is it it gives your nervous system an opportunity to calm down.
[20:24] SPEAKER_02: Right.
[20:26] SPEAKER_01: And I'm a big believer that the body and the mind speak to one another and so that powerful
[20:34] SPEAKER_01: pause gives just allows a crack of insight or wisdom or ability to compose yourself if
[20:43] SPEAKER_01: it's a heated situation and that alone can be like deal breakers in in the corporate space
[20:50] SPEAKER_01: or even if you're an entrepreneur and you're in you're working with a client and the client
[20:53] SPEAKER_01: says something to you that you're like I don't know that I want to say yes to this request.
[20:59] SPEAKER_01: That pause alone is the difference between taking on a project that might have you burning
[21:05] SPEAKER_01: midnight oil and being super exhausted to you know choosing something that you would
[21:10] SPEAKER_01: much rather be doing or simply choosing a different client.
[21:13] SPEAKER_01: We are always with choice and I always say this as well as like go on or the days where
[21:20] SPEAKER_01: we don't have a choice and you know I don't know if you find this as well but maybe your
[21:27] SPEAKER_01: viewers can relate but when we're first starting a business we tend to want to say yes to
[21:33] SPEAKER_01: everyone and because we're like you know oh my god I you know I don't know when my next
[21:39] SPEAKER_01: dollar is going to come through and my coach always calls it that we live in a results
[21:42] SPEAKER_01: economy as an entrepreneur we get paid for our results.
[21:45] SPEAKER_01: So how dare I say no.
[21:48] SPEAKER_01: And sometimes I'm like how dare you not say no if there's a client that you are not in
[21:54] SPEAKER_01: integrity with and again it's not always but I do see this tending to be a little bit more
[22:00] SPEAKER_01: difficult for women than men although males who start out in startups have this problem as well
[22:06] SPEAKER_01: is really being discerning how do we create that discernment to say does this client align with
[22:15] SPEAKER_01: the service I provide and the mission that I'm here to serve in the world and knowing what
[22:24] SPEAKER_01: that is and like what message you're here to convey to the world is so critical and it actually
[22:34] SPEAKER_01: reduces decision fatigue is when you know who you're for and you know who you're not for
[22:39] SPEAKER_01: and that is incredibly freeing so it you know these things translate in both worlds.
[22:47] SPEAKER_00: And it's really interesting because I find that people not only entrepreneurs but executives
[22:52] SPEAKER_00: as well are so hesitant to declare what their values are what they're here to do what matters
[23:02] SPEAKER_00: to them in a decisive way noting these things can change because we're all humans and we are all
[23:07] SPEAKER_00: people of change so declaring that this is what matters to me and this is what I stand for what I
[23:13] SPEAKER_00: align with what my values are who I work with whatever the case may be there there's such a hesitancy
[23:20] SPEAKER_00: to own that because I think we that we are so prone to thinking if I do if I own that then I
[23:29] SPEAKER_00: can't work with anyone outside of that then look at what look at what's not possible as opposed to
[23:36] SPEAKER_00: what is possible by owning it and I and I'm always I think listen I've been there I've done it in my
[23:44] SPEAKER_00: own business you know it's so I get that it's an evolution in a process but it's so fascinating to
[23:50] SPEAKER_00: me how consistent that still is in both the entrepreneur and the the executive world regardless of
[23:59] SPEAKER_00: the number of times of people say if I put on a marketing hat for a second you cannot market to
[24:04] SPEAKER_00: everyone you cannot be for every there's nothing that is for everyone I don't care if you look at
[24:10] SPEAKER_00: Apple right anything an iPhone it's still not for everyone it might be for a chunk of people but
[24:16] SPEAKER_00: it's not for everyone and yet we think if I don't make this appeal to everyone if my values don't
[24:22] SPEAKER_00: align with everyone if my company that I work with you know the people I work with if everyone is
[24:28] SPEAKER_01: not included yeah that's a problem yeah I couldn't agree with you more and in fact my coach
[24:37] SPEAKER_01: she's she's been pivotal for me in and she has this one liner that I swear to God it's like
[24:45] SPEAKER_01: imprinted in my head and it goes for both corporate and executive is that the confused mind won't buy
[24:52] SPEAKER_01: right so whether you're like you can translate that into the corporate world as well as the
[24:57] SPEAKER_01: entrepreneurial world but if I'm not clear and what I'm communicating if I'm not clear on who I serve
[25:04] SPEAKER_01: and who I don't serve then I am doing a disservice not only to myself but also to the person across
[25:11] SPEAKER_01: from me who is sitting there saying help me do you have the expertise to help me with my specific
[25:18] SPEAKER_01: problem so it's the same thing with the executive space as well as you know as an executive coach
[25:24] SPEAKER_01: yourself is that if you're not clear with your team members or your leaders or your
[25:29] SPEAKER_01: your clients who like what you're what you're providing them they will not buy in so as entrepreneurs
[25:38] SPEAKER_01: we pay cash right we buy a service we pay and that's how we give them our sale in corporate it's
[25:46] SPEAKER_01: the buy-in it's the influence it's yes I'll do business with you and so it's the same thing that
[25:53] SPEAKER_01: clarity can only come when in my opinion when the channels are clear so the clarity can only come when
[26:05] SPEAKER_01: the the the vessel which is our body is clear of the mental noise and the distraction and the
[26:13] SPEAKER_01: head trash and so so often I see entrepreneurs make the mistake of wanting to get their website up
[26:20] SPEAKER_01: website up or create a funnel or you know do a webinar and those are all great tactics but unless
[26:29] SPEAKER_01: you know who you want to be when you grow up and who you want to serve and how to position your
[26:35] SPEAKER_01: message in a way that people are clear what you have to offer it's kind of all busy making
[26:43] SPEAKER_01: and it distracts you from the real the real deal which is authentic conversation relationship
[26:50] SPEAKER_01: that's what people want and so I would you know I would say that to the cows come home
[26:58] SPEAKER_00: yeah um I could not agree more and I think I've spoken about this on the podcast before that was
[27:03] SPEAKER_00: my first couple of years doing this business was definitely the first year and a half was exactly
[27:08] SPEAKER_00: that I had to have a website I had to figure out you know giveaways I had to create you know an
[27:14] SPEAKER_00: email list that all these things up none of it mattered ultimately and was I mean listen I have a
[27:21] SPEAKER_00: website that is so old at this point and a new website that has been like in a holding pattern
[27:27] SPEAKER_00: because it's just I know now that I should do it but I also know that it's not the be all end all
[27:33] SPEAKER_00: of my business my business is fine without that specific thing because it is about the the
[27:39] SPEAKER_00: connection and it a lot changed me when I got clear on who I was working with with the note
[27:46] SPEAKER_00: that it has evolved over the past eight years who my ideal client now who I work with who I'm
[27:52] SPEAKER_00: for has evolved as I've evolved as my business has evolved and that is also okay you don't
[28:00] SPEAKER_00: yeah I think we get really hung up on like I am declaring this as my thing and this is the only
[28:05] SPEAKER_00: no we all evolve it is wonderful to own that and be okay with that and you know be in the evolution
[28:13] SPEAKER_00: and share it with people because that's how we know it's okay yeah and I think you know one of the things
[28:20] SPEAKER_01: I often say to others as well is like you were only one decision away from choosing something else
[28:28] SPEAKER_01: so one of the things I think that's so so critical and I'm with you like my
[28:34] SPEAKER_01: gosh my first couple of years when I was still a side hustle building my business
[28:39] SPEAKER_01: it was like it was exhausting I was close to burnout again because I was focusing on all
[28:45] SPEAKER_01: on being everything to everybody and again this is the same problem I see with my executive
[28:51] SPEAKER_01: clients I'm trying to be everything to everybody including at home right remember like I work with
[28:58] SPEAKER_01: women so not only are they you know trying to do that at work they're coming home and also trying
[29:05] SPEAKER_01: to be everything to everyone there too and so you know one of the things I think is so freeing
[29:12] SPEAKER_01: is when you know you're only a decision away to making a different choice I tried something it didn't
[29:19] SPEAKER_01: and that's what I think is the is the reason my business has become successful is because I have
[29:26] SPEAKER_01: the courage to try things and fall flat in my face yes and I've done all of that like I have I've had
[29:32] SPEAKER_01: funnels that don't work I've had people saying your website is down rate one I had a lead magnet ready
[29:37] SPEAKER_01: to go like I've had so many different problems and um all of it has been completely necessary to my growth
[29:47] SPEAKER_01: as an entrepreneur and to my growth as a woman and especially as a woman who is able to
[29:55] SPEAKER_01: take that and stride and not be undone by it because I can tell you in 2015 I was undone by it right
[30:02] SPEAKER_01: clearly by being taken out by a stretcher so um I think I love that our conversation is going
[30:11] SPEAKER_01: everywhere by the way I hope your viewers love it too but this is how this is my how I roll
[30:18] SPEAKER_01: this is my jam is um that yeah like it's about just being able to be fluid enough to go with the
[30:28] SPEAKER_01: seasons of your business or the seasons of your career and go through it with grace without
[30:34] SPEAKER_01: feeling like everything has to fit a certain box and picture because that's just not life
[30:40] SPEAKER_01: and so the more adaptable we can be in weaving through those cycles the better we will be as business owners
[30:49] SPEAKER_00: as as executives I mean this conversation is a great reflection of that it's about going with a
[30:55] SPEAKER_00: flow and opening up you know wherever comes and not being so focused on it has to be this way or it
[31:02] SPEAKER_00: has to look like this um and I appreciate you going with the flow and that because this is definitely
[31:08] SPEAKER_00: the type of conversation I like to have also good right we're good pair then
[31:14] SPEAKER_00: um I do want to ask this question before we wrap up is is because this has been very flowing is
[31:20] SPEAKER_00: there anything that we didn't get to that you would like to bring up or something you want to emphasize
[31:25] SPEAKER_00: um in the conversation we had um because I do expect I mean the unsurprising I do expect that
[31:32] SPEAKER_00: we're going to have a lot of women listening to this and watching this I think though
[31:38] SPEAKER_01: what always stands out to me is the peace around how living and integrity
[31:46] SPEAKER_01: is really the true path to freedom right so the more we know ourselves the more we know what's not working
[31:57] SPEAKER_01: is the better off we will be to finding what does so knowing what you really want is such a
[32:05] SPEAKER_01: critical question and if women need help answering that question that's where help is there for you
[32:13] SPEAKER_01: you know and start with just asking well what's what do I know is not working and take a 24 hour
[32:19] SPEAKER_01: scan and ask yourself what areas of my life are draining me right now and what areas of my life
[32:25] SPEAKER_01: are replenishing me that is a good gauge to start the deeper work of understanding what am I meant
[32:33] SPEAKER_01: to be doing what can I take off my plate to increase my energy and and ultimately increase my
[32:43] SPEAKER_01: success as well because our businesses will only thrive our roles will only thrive
[32:50] SPEAKER_01: in so far as we listen very intentionally to what our body needs and what our emotional health needs
[32:59] SPEAKER_01: anything other than that is just a road to to stress and we have too much of that already in this world
[33:08] SPEAKER_00: we definitely do and all the women especially experiencing burnout are are the evidence of that
[33:15] SPEAKER_00: for anyone who's like oh that's not a real thing it is there's tons of evidence around us about it
[33:20] SPEAKER_00: yeah um I want to thank you for taking the time to chat with me it was really lovely getting to know
[33:25] SPEAKER_00: you a little bit more and sharing your story and this was wildly insightful so thank you so much
[33:30] SPEAKER_00: Teresa I really appreciate it my pleasure I really loved our conversations Lane as did I and thank
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