Be patient, it is a journey

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[00:00] SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Canada's Entrepreneur, where we talk to the entrepreneurs who are making it happen
[00:05] SPEAKER_00: across Canada and deliver the news, trends, knowledge and opinions from entrepreneurs and business
[00:13] SPEAKER_00: influences across the country. Hi everyone, I'm Phil Bliss, founder and CEO of Canada's Entrepreneur,
[00:21] SPEAKER_00: coming to you today from Toronto, actually from Hamilton. Today we're going to meet Adam
[00:26] SPEAKER_00: Hislop, who creates videos and movies that help people communicate clearly and effectively.
[00:34] SPEAKER_00: Along with the rest of his team at Atomic Spark in Brantford, Southern Ontario, he produces
[00:40] SPEAKER_00: commercials, brand films, promotional videos, website videos and training materials, and he's
[00:47] SPEAKER_00: been doing it successfully for the past 25 years. So he's got some great stories to tell us.
[00:55] SPEAKER_00: So welcome to Canada's Entrepreneur, Adam. Thank you.
[00:59] SPEAKER_01: You're great to see you. I'm really happy to be here, thanks for having me.
[01:03] SPEAKER_00: As I do at the start of every session and I think it's really important to get it out fast,
[01:09] SPEAKER_00: before we get deeper, let everyone find out a bit about you and quick synopsis of your entrepreneurial
[01:18] SPEAKER_00: journey. Give us a full minute summary of who Adam is basically.
[01:25] SPEAKER_01: Sure, yeah. Well, I started in the production world thinking I wanted to go into television,
[01:35] SPEAKER_01: but kind of fell my way into doing corporate video production and that's where I am.
[01:40] SPEAKER_01: Been at this for 25 years and started a business that we'll talk a bit more about 15 years ago.
[01:47] SPEAKER_01: But had had the experience of doing some freelance work, worked for some other people,
[01:52] SPEAKER_01: and kind of kind of found something that I really enjoy doing. There's a lot of variety.
[01:58] SPEAKER_01: It's a lot of fun. My background is I studied television broadcasting when I was in college
[02:04] SPEAKER_01: and was thinking I really wanted to be in like television production and then had the opportunity
[02:11] SPEAKER_01: to do some work with some businesses creating video content. This is 2000, so it was well before YouTube
[02:17] SPEAKER_01: and things like that. It was a very different landscape, but it was something that kind of
[02:23] SPEAKER_01: realized I really enjoy and enjoyed the relationships working with people.
[02:30] SPEAKER_01: Here we are today. It's come a long way and there's been a lot of changes.
[02:35] SPEAKER_00: It's really cool because you know, look at your background and you've been
[02:43] SPEAKER_00: running your own production business for 20 years or so. 15 years now, yeah, 16 years or so.
[02:53] SPEAKER_00: I think it's interesting for people to realize that you're from Brentford in Southern Ontario.
[03:01] SPEAKER_00: So I don't want to be mean to Brentford, but it's not that small a small town.
[03:06] SPEAKER_00: But I think it's interesting to kind of get that view, that entrepreneurship view of how do you
[03:15] SPEAKER_00: make a really good living in sort of that out of the city, if you like? Yeah.
[03:23] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a great question. That's something I've talked to people about a lot over the years.
[03:29] SPEAKER_01: And the short answer is I don't think I've ever once had a client question where we're from,
[03:36] SPEAKER_01: and we do a lot of work, most of our work outside of Brentford. So I've never felt a strong need
[03:42] SPEAKER_01: to move the business elsewhere. But there's definitely been times over the years I've said,
[03:46] SPEAKER_01: gee, are we in the right location? Should I be in a bigger market?
[03:51] SPEAKER_01: There are things like networking that would be easier if we were a little bit closer to the GTA.
[03:58] SPEAKER_01: But some of the advantages are Brentford is, although it's growing, it's still got a bit of a
[04:03] SPEAKER_01: small town feel. Housing prices are a little better. It's a nice place to raise a family.
[04:10] SPEAKER_01: We have good connections in town here, and we do some work in town. And the reality is there's
[04:15] SPEAKER_01: a lot of people that live out here that work at companies and organizations in the GTA. So
[04:22] SPEAKER_01: we have a good client. We're working with tomorrow, actually, on a project. And the organization's
[04:28] SPEAKER_01: at a Hamilton, but she lives near us here. And so I don't think in the type of business,
[04:33] SPEAKER_01: in the creative service business that we're in, I don't think that it matters where we are,
[04:38] SPEAKER_01: because we typically go to our clients when we're meeting or filming with them.
[04:42] SPEAKER_00: Is that sort of changed, improved since these, the COVID thing?
[04:49] SPEAKER_00: But really, it's the sort of the growth of remote work,
[04:57] SPEAKER_00: remote work forces, if you like. Have you noticed a change in attitude in terms of
[05:06] SPEAKER_01: constantly? Yeah, definitely. The biggest thing, the biggest difference, I think,
[05:12] SPEAKER_01: is been just the ability to do meetings remotely. We did some of that, because we had
[05:18] SPEAKER_01: we had some clients that were pretty early adopters for, I don't know if you remember, go to
[05:23] SPEAKER_01: meeting, and the joy of having audio trouble on every call. But we did that fairly early on,
[05:31] SPEAKER_01: and my team has been remote pretty much right since the beginning. We do have some office space,
[05:37] SPEAKER_01: we do meet up and work together a bit, but for the most part, everything is remote.
[05:44] SPEAKER_01: It's some ways the whole pandemic wasn't a big adjustment for us. We didn't have a major change
[05:51] SPEAKER_01: that go on now. We have to figure out how to work remotely. We already had some technology and
[05:55] SPEAKER_01: infrastructure in place there. But I find on the client side, it definitely became more accepting.
[06:03] SPEAKER_01: To say, let's say, it'll have a Zoom call instead of an in-person meeting. Honestly,
[06:10] SPEAKER_01: I've to drive to Toronto or whatever. From out here, it's an hour, but it's really two or two and
[06:17] SPEAKER_01: a half with traffic. You'd spend a half a day going to a meeting and honestly, that's a lot of time
[06:23] SPEAKER_01: for something like that. I think we can serve people better that way. The other thing that
[06:29] SPEAKER_01: I noticed, it's just a side thing, because everyone was working from home and their kids were at home,
[06:34] SPEAKER_01: all of a sudden you realized these people that you've known for a while, you'd see kids who are
[06:38] SPEAKER_01: buying the background. It became a little bit more personal. I think closer relationships with
[06:45] SPEAKER_01: people because the reality of life, it wasn't just, oh, here's my business life and here's my
[06:50] SPEAKER_01: personal life. All of a sudden, you realize that, hey, they're at home too and they've got life
[06:55] SPEAKER_01: going on. I think that's been good overall. I think a lot of our clients, we work with people in
[07:02] SPEAKER_01: the marketing communication space. It's a pretty friendly and personal environment anyways.
[07:08] SPEAKER_01: I find so. There's definitely been some changes, but it wasn't a drastic shock for us
[07:16] SPEAKER_00: initially to start off. Another thing is, everything's building a business and you've got to
[07:23] SPEAKER_00: grow to be what you know isn't true. Where do you see yourself in the next five years?
[07:33] SPEAKER_01: That's a great question. That's a hard question to answer. We have plans. We have a five-year plan
[07:42] SPEAKER_01: of where we think we want to be, where I want the company to go. I found through over the last five
[07:51] SPEAKER_01: years, it's been very up and down because of the pandemic. We were super busy and then everything
[07:59] SPEAKER_01: stopped and then you're busy and then it stopped and kind of went like that. Then post pandemic,
[08:04] SPEAKER_01: it's been pretty consistently very busy. But maybe some normal rhythms that we had, we used to
[08:11] SPEAKER_01: know this season, we'd be really busy through the spring and fall, whatever. But that's really
[08:17] SPEAKER_01: changed a lot. Overall, I don't have the dream to take this business to be enormous or anything
[08:26] SPEAKER_01: like that. It's kind of a pretty niche thing and it's something that requires close collaboration
[08:33] SPEAKER_01: with clients. I don't like the idea of turning projects into just numbers and assigned it to
[08:42] SPEAKER_01: somebody and they get it done. We're working closely with people. I think our hope is maybe to get
[08:48] SPEAKER_01: to maybe 10 people or something like that. We're referencing about five right now and then some
[08:54] SPEAKER_01: contractors. I think that would probably about the sweet spot, also just looking at what,
[09:03] SPEAKER_01: from my own standpoint, what's manageable without having more layers of management than that.
[09:09] SPEAKER_00: Start to bring this in because it's impacting everybody. I mean, with AI and I know in your business,
[09:18] SPEAKER_00: because I all fall up into that side of things. Things are emerging pretty quickly.
[09:28] SPEAKER_00: Very. What's your field for that?
[09:33] SPEAKER_01: Yeah. So we use AI tools. They don't replace anybody.
[09:43] SPEAKER_01: They're wonderful tools. I'll give you an example. One of the things we use it for regularly is,
[09:48] SPEAKER_01: you know, if we're working with, say, a manufacturer to create a video about their organization,
[09:56] SPEAKER_01: we'll use AI and say, like, hey, we're creating this video. We're going to be writing a script.
[10:02] SPEAKER_01: Can you give us some interview questions? I would say 60, 70% good. They're not
[10:11] SPEAKER_01: all amazing, but it gives us a great starting point. That's where it's been really helpful. It's
[10:17] SPEAKER_01: really reduced the amount of time we spend doing sort of the mundane research, the repetitive writing,
[10:24] SPEAKER_01: that sort of thing. The other thing we'll often do too is, again, around the writing side of things,
[10:31] SPEAKER_01: is we'll often put text into chat GPD and say, hey, how can I make this better and look for
[10:38] SPEAKER_01: suggestions and ideas? So it hasn't replaced us on the production side of things where we really
[10:44] SPEAKER_00: find that it means you can go through more ideas. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.
[10:51] SPEAKER_01: I think it's better results for people. Be a little bit more thorough.
[10:55] SPEAKER_01: The other side of it that's really neat is, there's new tools that we use some audio tools
[11:03] SPEAKER_01: that clean up audio. We can record in noisier environments and still have good usable audio.
[11:10] SPEAKER_01: There's a tool we're using just the other day. We had someone that was having some difficulty keeping
[11:16] SPEAKER_01: their eye line with the camera lens looking into the lens. There's a tool that'll correct that now.
[11:22] SPEAKER_01: There's things like that that you look at and you think, wow, that's pretty amazing that it actually
[11:25] SPEAKER_01: does it as well as it does. It makes our jobs a little bit easier and allows us to do better work.
[11:31] SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day, it makes the client happier. I think given what we do, I don't see it totally
[11:38] SPEAKER_01: replacing us anytime soon. That being said, internally we spend a lot of time looking at AI tools
[11:47] SPEAKER_01: and watching it. People in the agency world and that are very serious about it because it's
[11:53] SPEAKER_01: a real tool. There's certainly our threats to jobs. If I was a copyrighter or something like that,
[11:59] SPEAKER_01: I'd be a little bit worried because it's going to change fundamentally changing the industry quite a
[12:04] SPEAKER_00: bit. There's no question about that. It's happening. Let's move on to some challenging things here.
[12:12] SPEAKER_00: What's the greatest challenge you've faced over the last 15 years in your business?
[12:20] SPEAKER_01: I think they're probably the most significant thing because I came into the business and I started
[12:28] SPEAKER_01: the business because I love doing the work. Learning and running and managing the business side of
[12:34] SPEAKER_01: things, learning how to deal with finances, learning how to manage people, what to do when those
[12:44] SPEAKER_01: things don't go well, managing cash flow. I think that's probably something that's common across
[12:51] SPEAKER_01: many, many businesses. Cash flows is even as what I would consider now a little bit
[12:57] SPEAKER_01: established. We've been at this for a while. It's still a problem because we still go, you go
[13:01] SPEAKER_01: through the busy times and then things slow down. Sometimes it's only for a few weeks, but that
[13:05] SPEAKER_01: can still impact your cash flow. That's probably ongoing challenge number one. I think overall the
[13:14] SPEAKER_01: biggest thing has just been having to learn the business side of things. I've worked with a business
[13:18] SPEAKER_01: coach almost since the beginning. That's been really helpful and I encourage people. Take the time
[13:27] SPEAKER_01: to find someone that you click with that supports you and really invest in that. There's also
[13:33] SPEAKER_01: lots of great training. There's tons of good resources. I mean, podcasts have learned so much from
[13:38] SPEAKER_01: podcasts. They weren't there at the beginning when I was starting out, but there's so many great
[13:45] SPEAKER_01: great ways to learn from things, learn from other people's journeys. That's why I love talking
[13:50] SPEAKER_01: like this about my own journey because maybe it will help someone or inspire someone.
[13:54] SPEAKER_00: That's right. That was the idea behind it. Hopefully.
[14:02] SPEAKER_00: You've been doing it long enough that you've hit a few challenges. When you're faced with those
[14:08] SPEAKER_00: unexpected challenges, have you got a method now that you're a way of handling them?
[14:17] SPEAKER_01: That's a good question. I don't think anyone's ever asked me that.
[14:20] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think so. I think as you learn more as an entrepreneur or as a person,
[14:29] SPEAKER_01: as you learn more about yourself and how you manage things, you find ways or better ways of dealing
[14:36] SPEAKER_01: with challenges or navigating those challenges. Certainly having systems in place has really
[14:43] SPEAKER_01: helped me a lot. Given my personality and that, I know everybody's different. I wouldn't say,
[14:49] SPEAKER_01: this is the only way it can work. But I know for me, for example, with cash flow, having a good
[14:55] SPEAKER_01: cash flow management system is really important so that I can look at it and know this is where we are,
[15:00] SPEAKER_01: and this is where we're probably going to be. Even if it's not fixing the problem, even if the
[15:06] SPEAKER_01: problem's still there just to be able to look at it and know with some precision, not just be
[15:10] SPEAKER_01: thinking, oh, it's a problem and I haven't defined the problem. Having people to rely on, whether that's
[15:19] SPEAKER_01: a coach consultant, a really good account, that's the other thing I strongly say to people. If you
[15:23] SPEAKER_01: don't have one and you're starting out in business or whatever, get yourself a good account,
[15:28] SPEAKER_01: good bookkeeper that can help you with that side of things. Those are people you can call on.
[15:34] SPEAKER_01: You can say, hey, what do I do here? What do I do if I have to end a relationship with
[15:44] SPEAKER_01: someone that I'm working with? How do I navigate that? Because that's something came up a number
[15:48] SPEAKER_01: of years ago. Those are difficult things to do, but having really good advice is important.
[15:56] SPEAKER_01: I know from you just being able to process it that way to look at, here's the facts and not just
[16:01] SPEAKER_01: sit there worrying about things. Then also just the flip side of that is having good support
[16:09] SPEAKER_01: at home. I'm fortunate I've got a wonderful wife and kids who care and they're compassionate.
[16:17] SPEAKER_01: When you're having those tough days, you can say, hey, I've had an awful day and you get that
[16:22] SPEAKER_01: support. I'm very blessed to have that. Not everyone has that, I know. That makes a difference.
[16:28] SPEAKER_00: So what do you mean, say kind of thing, what do you know now that you wish you'd known at the
[16:37] SPEAKER_00: beginning of this journey you're on? I think the biggest thing is,
[16:46] SPEAKER_01: realizing that there's no, I don't know, maybe I'm saying this right, but there's no like
[16:54] SPEAKER_01: finish line. I guess I thought it would be like, okay, we'll get started and we'll get to a certain
[16:58] SPEAKER_01: point and then we'll have arrived. It's a journey. Day to day is up and down. There's a lot of great
[17:07] SPEAKER_01: stuff. I got into this because I love doing the work. I love creating video content. I love
[17:14] SPEAKER_01: filming. I love working with people on projects like this. But there's up and down and there will be
[17:21] SPEAKER_01: that's ongoing. I think that's probably the biggest thing is I wish I could just say,
[17:26] SPEAKER_01: be patient. It's a journey. There will be up and down and to really try to enjoy
[17:34] SPEAKER_01: the good stuff as you can. Particularly just the nature of the business too. It's not like
[17:43] SPEAKER_01: I'm building it to sell or something like that. It's a small business. It's a niche thing
[17:48] SPEAKER_01: that we do and to really embrace and love what you're doing and make that your focus is,
[17:55] SPEAKER_01: I think the biggest thing I would probably tell us of and just really focus on the fundamentals,
[18:01] SPEAKER_01: like learn those fundamentals, get as much training as you can on the financial and the management
[18:06] SPEAKER_01: side because that only helps as you go. On the mentorship side of things, what's
[18:13] SPEAKER_00: the best piece of advice that you've received? You know it's there and in your back.
[18:20] SPEAKER_00: You know, you go back to it every so often.
[18:25] SPEAKER_01: Well, that's a hard question.
[18:32] SPEAKER_01: I think probably the single biggest thing and this is, this comes back to working with
[18:36] SPEAKER_01: a business coach but having someone that has visibility into other businesses, other small businesses,
[18:46] SPEAKER_01: to be able to talk with them and have them say, you're doing okay and it's normal to have
[19:00] SPEAKER_01: ups and downs and messiness. It's not like I think maybe that's another thing I've really
[19:07] SPEAKER_01: learned over the years. From the outside, it looks like other businesses, you'd see,
[19:14] SPEAKER_01: they're successful, they're doing great. They just landed this big contract, they're busy
[19:19] SPEAKER_01: and you think, oh, there's stuff's perfect. Why is there so much chaos with what we've got going on?
[19:26] SPEAKER_01: But then you realize after talking with someone and getting to know people and just also having
[19:34] SPEAKER_01: friends and business, you realize that's what everybody. There is that level of, to one degree,
[19:40] SPEAKER_01: another of problems in chaos and struggles and all that. I think learning that and accepting that
[19:50] SPEAKER_01: and having someone that can look at it and give you some feedback from an outside perspective
[19:55] SPEAKER_01: is really valuable. Did that answer your question? I'm sorry. What it said is, you've got a coach
[20:04] SPEAKER_00: who's actually really your mentor and I think we all have coaches or whatever,
[20:12] SPEAKER_00: people that we get advice from that we act on basically.
[20:19] SPEAKER_00: Yeah. That's some pretty serious stuff for the last 20 minutes or something.
[20:28] SPEAKER_00: Let's have some fun or...
[20:31] SPEAKER_00: If you aren't doing what you're doing now, what would you be doing instead?
[20:38] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I have no idea.
[20:45] SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
[20:48] SPEAKER_00: I think you're a bit like me. You like what you do, which is why you're doing it.
[20:52] SPEAKER_01: I like what I do. I remember a distinct moment. I think it was grade nine.
[20:59] SPEAKER_01: I went into our community television station. We had a day where we were just to go and check it.
[21:07] SPEAKER_01: I remember the kind of gave us a tour and said, okay, now we're going to do a pretend,
[21:15] SPEAKER_01: like a mock TV show and try different things and all this. I remember sitting down and I got
[21:21] SPEAKER_01: to be the director. Probably pushed my way into that. I remember sitting down there and I remember
[21:27] SPEAKER_01: this distinct moment of like, this is exactly what I want to do with my life.
[21:33] SPEAKER_01: That was when I was thinking maybe more I wanted to be in television. This is sort of a
[21:37] SPEAKER_01: related but different field. I honestly don't know what I would do if I had something else to do.
[21:46] SPEAKER_01: I think the perspective back then might have been different. I had some interest in maybe
[21:52] SPEAKER_01: in technology, computer-related, something, maybe programming or something like that.
[21:57] SPEAKER_01: That might have been more stable career path than entrepreneurship in hindsight.
[22:05] SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I don't have something now that I'm like, hey, this is my plan B. I kind of hope this works.
[22:14] SPEAKER_00: What do you come to reading or podcast that you're listening to that you'd recommend to the audience?
[22:21] SPEAKER_01: Sure. There's a couple podcasts that I highly recommend. These are a little bit kind of tailored
[22:30] SPEAKER_01: to the creative services industry. But there would be maybe some application. The future with
[22:37] SPEAKER_01: Chris Doe is a fantastic podcast if you're not listening to that and you're in any kind of creative
[22:42] SPEAKER_01: field you should be. There's another one called Two Bobs, the number two B-O-B-S. It's an
[22:50] SPEAKER_01: absolutely fantastic podcast. It is two people. It's an office space reference if you don't get
[22:57] SPEAKER_01: the name. They talk about creative entrepreneurship and it's everything. We've had to run a business
[23:03] SPEAKER_01: but also deliver good creative work and make a living on the way through. Those are probably
[23:11] SPEAKER_01: the two that over the years have been the most. But honestly, I listened to a lot of podcasts.
[23:16] SPEAKER_01: I read books and listen audio books as well and try to get a variety of stuff in there.
[23:26] SPEAKER_01: Everything from business-related things to just other things that I find generally interesting.
[23:33] SPEAKER_01: How people work, psychology, those sorts of things are fun to read. I think very applicable
[23:37] SPEAKER_00: when you're in business. Yeah. I'm sorry. You will morning or a night person?
[23:45] SPEAKER_01: Definitely a morning person. I tend to falsely pretty early. I used to do work at night a
[23:53] SPEAKER_01: little bit more but not these days. Not once you hit your mid-40s. The night thing isn't a good
[24:02] SPEAKER_01: option anymore. Typically, I try to keep work hours. It's not really 9-5 but 8-6. Sometimes in the
[24:14] SPEAKER_01: evening, hours are pretty erratic but that's one of the things I intentionally tried to do with
[24:19] SPEAKER_01: the businesses not make it one of those like work non-stop. I like to have a bit of a life outside of it.
[24:23] SPEAKER_00: So if I had to pick one word to describe who item is, what would it be and why would you choose it?
[24:35] SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't know. I'm thinking about that.
[24:43] SPEAKER_01: I don't know. I really love what I do. I'm really passionate about what I do.
[24:52] SPEAKER_01: I guess that might be it. I haven't really given that a lot of thought. Sorry. I don't have a great
[24:55] SPEAKER_01: answer there but yeah, I care a lot about what we do delivering a great service for clients.
[25:04] SPEAKER_01: That matters a lot to me. I want people to be happy with it.
[25:08] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, describe yourself to me myself. What makes you?
[25:14] SPEAKER_00: Makes me tick. The creativity is like this is like that.
[25:22] SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the creative is a part of it. I think I have some abilities in the creative space but then also
[25:34] SPEAKER_01: being able to blend that with the business side, non-typonerial side a little bit.
[25:41] SPEAKER_01: So I think there's a little bit of balance there. I know some people that I would consider
[25:45] SPEAKER_01: highly creative, really super talented people. Sometimes they struggle more in the business side of
[25:52] SPEAKER_01: things. Then I know some people that run a great business but I think their work isn't very good
[25:56] SPEAKER_01: because the creative side is not there. We try to have a bit of a balance there. I don't know
[26:02] SPEAKER_01: if I have one particular word but I definitely care a lot about what I do for work and then the rest
[26:12] SPEAKER_01: of the time is with family and friends. What's keeping you up at night?
[26:27] SPEAKER_01: I think as with many entrepreneurs that you work on project-based work,
[26:36] SPEAKER_01: where's the next project going to be? Are we going to land that client? How do we get in front
[26:45] SPEAKER_01: of somebody else meet a new client? That's definitely it. I think I have a lot of ideas and I think
[26:55] SPEAKER_01: that's a good thing. I think every entrepreneur probably is similar. You have a lot of ideas
[27:03] SPEAKER_01: of things you want to achieve. The reality is time and not having time to do all the things.
[27:10] SPEAKER_01: I wish there was more time. But I think probably just the whole,
[27:20] SPEAKER_01: early on I think maybe it was a little bit more focused on the creative side of it. Now it's
[27:26] SPEAKER_01: a little bit more how do we keep the business stable? There's a handful of us that depend on it
[27:32] SPEAKER_01: for a living. How do we keep it running, keep projects going, moving along? That's definitely
[27:39] SPEAKER_01: something that every night keeps me up but has times kept me up at night. I think a lot about
[27:46] SPEAKER_01: because that's the reality. I understand that very well. If the cash isn't coming in,
[27:55] SPEAKER_00: there's your trouble. That's about it. That's a really good session. I
[28:02] SPEAKER_00: say I really enjoyed it. Thanks for coming on the show. It's been really nice meeting you.
[28:09] SPEAKER_01: It's been a pleasure. I appreciate you having me on. Thanks for chatting for a bit. Appreciate it.
[28:15] SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
[28:18] SPEAKER_00: Well, it was really good to hear Adam's story and his insights on building a creative business
[28:25] SPEAKER_00: outside of the city and being successful doing it. Really nice discussion.
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